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Thread: America's Laws

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The Founding Fathers.



    That they were wealthy white men does nothing to undermine the brilliance of the Constitution; unless, of course, you are suggesting that wealthy white men are incapable of forming a rational and morally just form of governance?

    If you have any substantive criticisms of their political philosophy I'd be happy to hear them. Just remember, that the least of the Founders probably had more intelligence in their pinky toe than you or I do in our whole body...
    And probably one hell of a lot better education than 99.9% of the people now in government.
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Other - reality.

    And if The Constitution told you to jump off a bridge (or to use government force to maintain a monopoly on regular delivery of civilian snail-mail), would you?
    Maybe if it said to in really nice prose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Are you referring to the necessary balance (and inherent tension) between the power of the People to choose their representatives and the influence of such representatives in changing our laws?

    Well, personally I support that balance of power. We should not be governed by mob rule or simple majority vote. We should not be subject to to the whims of 536 people in Washington D.C. We are best protected, in my opinion, when the two are chained together.

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The Constitution was a product of it's time, nothing more. It wasn't perfect by any means, if it was there would never have been a need to amend it as has been done many times, nor would there be a need for a Supreme Court to interpret it.

    I find it absurd how many people hold up this 200+ year old piece of paper as the end-all-be-all document for all time. The founding fathers, no matter how wise they may have been at the time, were just men with human foibles and human shortcomings. They were unable to see what the future might hold and their document, while it has seen this nation through 200 years, isn't going to be applicable in all situations. Funny, I don't see anything in the Constitution that is useful for setting speed limits, handing out driver's licenses or determining who gets to fly an airplane, do you?

    So much for the Constitution being perfect.
    You are aware that they did include the amendment process just for this reason?

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You are aware that they did include the amendment process just for this reason?
    Yes, which means that even the founding fathers didn't intend for the Constitution to be the foundation of all of America's laws.

    So much for this thread.
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes, which means that even the founding fathers didn't intend for the Constitution to be the foundation of all of America's laws.

    So much for this thread.
    How does that follow?
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    Re: America's Laws

    Originally Posted by Cephus
    Yes, which means that even the founding fathers didn't intend for the Constitution to be the foundation of all of America's laws.

    So much for this thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    How does that follow?
    It doesn't follow.... Cephus thinks that since the constitution has been amended 27 times it isn't really the law of the Land?

    At least that is what I got from his/her post.

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    Re: America's Laws

    What's more, he says that the founders didn't intend it to be. Even though it says right there in Article VI:

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    It doesn't follow.... Cephus thinks that since the constitution has been amended 27 times it isn't really the law of the Land?

    At least that is what I got from his/her post.
    It's certainly not the ultimate authority on everything that some people purport that it is.
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's certainly not the ultimate authority on everything that some people purport that it is.
    In that regard you are correct.... it says nothing about a unified field theory nor does it address what is the best way to plunge your toilet.

    However, in the vein of this thread ("America's Laws") it is the ultimate authority as to the Laws of this nation as long as it is adhered to and not perverted by the Legislative, Judicial, or Executive branches of our Government.

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by KillerAngel View Post
    Splinter right-wing groups and vigilantes.
    This is what probably infects North Korea and Iran.
    We have a balance,more or less, they do not.

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