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Thread: America's Laws

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    Re: America's Laws

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    And who should write that constitution?
    It's already been written.

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It's already been written.
    By who? I know that Americans have a quasi-religious relationship to their constitution but it was not handed down by God - it was written by wealthy white men taking care of their own class interests.
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    By who?
    The Founding Fathers.

    I know that Americans have a quasi-religious relationship to their constitution but it was not handed down by God - it was written by wealthy white men taking care of their own class interests.
    That they were wealthy white men does nothing to undermine the brilliance of the Constitution; unless, of course, you are suggesting that wealthy white men are incapable of forming a rational and morally just form of governance?

    If you have any substantive criticisms of their political philosophy I'd be happy to hear them. Just remember, that the least of the Founders probably had more intelligence in their pinky toe than you or I do in our whole body...

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The Founding Fathers.



    That they were wealthy white men does nothing to undermine the brilliance of the Constitution; unless, of course, you are suggesting that wealthy white men are incapable of forming a rational and morally just form of governance?

    If you have any substantive criticisms of their political philosophy I'd be happy to hear them. Just remember, that the least of the Founders probably had more intelligence in their pinky toe than you or I do in our whole body...
    They were not capable of forming a rational and morally just form of government; slavery was allowed, women and black people were disenfranchised. The morally just solution to those injustices only came about following social struggles against the system set up by those godly founding fathers.

    I don't blame them for setting up a government that does not live up to our modern standards of human rights. Although many were progressive political thinkers they too were children of their time and unable to cater to the more developed morality of later times.

    Treating the founding fathers like a pantheon of political wisdom whose thoughts has the final words in all political discussions is a folly. Instead one should continue to build the house they laid the foundation to instead of standing looking at the foundation in awe.
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    ...Chuck Norris.
    Chuck Norris doesn't control the law, Chuck Norris IS The Law.

    In seriousness though, Goobie's spot

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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    They were not capable of forming a rational and morally just form of government; slavery was allowed, women and black people were disenfranchised.
    Reeaaaally. Show in the Constitution where black people and women were disenfranchised. Also show where slavery is enshrined.

    My guess? You've never read it.
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Who is a "worker" exactly? Are some people more "worker"-like than others?
    I don't know what gave that impression. A "worker" in my book is anyone who is outside the ruling class of gangsters, gamblers and thief's.
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Castro View Post
    I don't know what gave that impression. A "worker" in my book is anyone who is outside the ruling class of gangsters, gamblers and thief's.
    So everyone who doesn't get money and other privileges from the government is a "worker"? I guess that automatically disqualifies anyone who's ever joined a labor union.


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    "If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine" Che [signature]
    How convenient, I'd get to slit his throat in defense against the great injustice that he represents, and be his "comrade" at the same time...
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    Re: America's Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    So everyone who doesn't get money and other privileges from the government is a "worker"? I guess that automatically disqualifies anyone who's ever joined a labor union.
    His answer to your question boils down to "yes".

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