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Thread: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

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    Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    I was reading this story on MSNBC and I sort of understand the claim that she was discriminated against. I don't buy it, but I understand where she might feel that way. What gets me is the basis of her claim to damages:

    The suit seeks back pay for the teen and a permanent injunction against the retailer from participating in what it describes as discriminatory employment practices. It seeks undisclosed monetary and non-monetary losses resulting from "emotional pain, suffering, anxiety, loss of enjoyment of life, humiliation and inconvenience."
    What back pay is she entitled to if she was never employed by the company? There was no obligation of the company to hire her and there was no agreed pay specified which would lead to no back pay being owed, as far as I can tell. And did her job search just end with a rejection from A&F company?

    I guess more importantly, though, is the question: does a company who's marketing is based on looks and sells a certain "look" to a target demographic have an obligation to accommodate individuals who don't or won't make concessions to accommodate their marketing strategies?

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Of course not, they have a right to impose any dress standard they wish and anyone who wishes to work there must abide by it. No one is forced to work there, therefore no one's "rights" are being infringed on.

    This is utterly stupid, but thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention.
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    When it comes to choices like a dress code, abercrombie can make a clear case as to how it is relevant to them operating as a business. Brand image is very important in selling clothing, and it is reasonable to take steps to create that image.

    However, I think it is important to note that this applies to choices like wearing clothes, not other factors like race. Abercrombie could credibly claim that hiring black kids would counteract their target demographic, and that definitely would not fly.

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Businesses have a right to impose what ever dress code and physical standards they want, don't like that standard then go get a job somewhere else or conform to the standards set by that business. Practically every company imposes some sort of dress code or uniform requirements for their employees.
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    What about an observant Jewish nurse? Does she/he have a right to expect not to work on Saturdays, when working every other weekend is standard for hospital nurses?

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    making an allowance for religious dress, particularly if it's as inoffensive as a head scarf is pretty reasonable.

    this basically cements Abercrombie and Fitch as the nazi retailer, if their Hitler Youth-esque catalogs didn't already.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    making an allowance for religious dress, particularly if it's as inoffensive as a head scarf is pretty reasonable.

    this basically cements Abercrombie and Fitch as the nazi retailer, if their Hitler Youth-esque catalogs didn't already.
    There is nothing Hitler Youth-esque about their catalogues. If anything, it captures that whole New England prep look.

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    There is nothing Hitler Youth-esque about their catalogues. If anything, it captures that whole New England prep look.
    it's pictures of aryan supermen playing shirtless touch football with other aryan supermen and then retiring to their yacht.

    finding a minority model in A&F catalogs is like reading a Where's Waldo? book.

    they already payed 50 million for discriminatory HR practices.

    A&F is on my short list (right after Juicy Couture) of stores I would firebomb if I was a fashion terrorist.

    Seriously, what's the big deal about a head scarf?
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    it's pictures of aryan supermen playing shirtless touch football with other aryan supermen and then retiring to their yacht.

    finding a minority model in A&F catalogs is like reading a Where's Waldo? book.

    they already payed 50 million for discriminatory HR practices.

    A&F is on my short list (right after Juicy Couture) of stores I would firebomb if I was a fashion terrorist.

    Seriously, what's the big deal about a head scarf?
    If it doesn't fit with their marketing strategy, it just doesn't fit. They are a successful company because of their marketing strategy. I mean really? How in the world do you think they made millions off of overly priced flannel back in the day? Yeah, remember that era of Abercrombie and Fitch? It was all about their "look". And I just don't think they need to compromise their successful strategy over a head scarf.

    Look at it this way: what's the big deal about working for Abercrombie and Fitch versus working for American Eagle or Guess? Why can't she go work at one of those places?

    The issue isn't her being muslim; the issue is the refusal to conform to a policy the store has. How can she possibly make demands to have that policy changed when she isn't even part of the organization yet?

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    it's pictures of aryan supermen playing shirtless touch football with other aryan supermen and then retiring to their yacht.
    Weren't you all about some kind of gay "nazi" fashion thing a while back?
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