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Thread: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    making an allowance for religious dress, particularly if it's as inoffensive as a head scarf is pretty reasonable. Maybe to you or even I, but the store still has the right to discriminate; and this has nothing DIRECTLY to do with religion...When one works for another; one's religion, philosophy, etc., must be left at the door-stop.

    this basically cements Abercrombie and Fitch as the nazi retailer, if their Hitler Youth-esque catalogs didn't already.
    Absolutely and strongly disagree.
    Lets try to keep things in balance.
    The store wishes to maintain a certain image.
    Whats wrong with that ?
    This infringes on no man's rights.
    Religious nuts can apply elsewhere, or not apply, its their choice.

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Read the article :



    Muslim justification for the Hijab in the Koran :







    The clothing is part of the religion in this case. Just like the Yamulka is part of Judaism.
    Again its based on clothing and not her religion. The fact that a sect(because not all muslim women wear hijabs) of her religion forces her to wear a it is irrelevant. The fact the company has a dress code that applies to everyone regardless of race,religion or what ever for specific positions. She would not adhere to that dress code and that is why she was not hired, not because she was a muslim.
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    In this case you are incorrect. Hospitals generally have strict policies as to the requirement to work every other weekend. If someone has the overriding need to avoid work on Saturday then a hospital is not required to accommodate them upon hire.

    Sometimes, yes, they work it out in individual cases, if there is someone with the opposite need, such as the case of a nurse who wants Sundays off. But I know for a fact that you can't march into an HR office and demand this.
    I agree, there are limits to tolerance.
    The patient must come number one.
    And, as I have said, the man working for another must leave his philosophy, his religion and irreverent things at the door-stop.
    The law makers have work to do.
    The applicant, with their so-called religious garb, could put a little mom/pop store out of business if denied work....and this is not right....

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    What about an observant Jewish nurse? Does she/he have a right to expect not to work on Saturdays, when working every other weekend is standard for hospital nurses?
    My view? No. While the hospital in question might voluntarily allow her to have Saturdays off, she shouldn't get an automatic exception just because of her religious views. She chose to become a nurse, knowing full well what the expectations would be and she still did it. She gets no more sympathy than the religious pharmacists who don't want to dispense medications they morally disagree with. Don't like it? Find a different job.
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post

    The clothing is part of the religion in this case. Just like the Yamulka is part of Judaism.
    But like all religious followers, not all Muslims literally interpret and practice their religion the same way. Every talk a walk about Jakarta, the most populous Islamic country in the world?
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    When it comes to choices like a dress code, abercrombie can make a clear case as to how it is relevant to them operating as a business. Brand image is very important in selling clothing, and it is reasonable to take steps to create that image.

    However, I think it is important to note that this applies to choices like wearing clothes, not other factors like race. Abercrombie could credibly claim that hiring black kids would counteract their target demographic, and that definitely would not fly.
    Why should A & F HAVE to hire black people? Why should they HAVE to hire anyone? Who are you to decide?

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    What about an observant Jewish nurse? Does she/he have a right to expect not to work on Saturdays, when working every other weekend is standard for hospital nurses?
    She should expect to have her schedule dictated to her by the people who pay her salary. If she doesn't like it she can quit.

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Why should A & F HAVE to hire black people? Why should they HAVE to hire anyone? Who are you to decide?
    I can decide because they are choosing to operate in my country. If they want to discriminate against employees based on the color of their skin, they can go move somewhere else.

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    this has nothing to do with skin color or religious beliefs

    it has to do with dress codes at a private employer
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    lets not forget that fact in our hyperpartisanship folks

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    this has nothing to do with skin color or religious beliefs...
    Well to be fair, the last two posts being concerned, Ethereal brought it up,and Rathi was just responding to it.

    Yes Ethereal, they HAVE to have equality in their hiring practices in this country, and people can sue (and have successfully) for blatant racial discrimination in hiring.
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