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Thread: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    As I see it, no problem, The Jewish nurses have no problems with working on Sundays and Christmas day; true, or radical Christians, of course, do..Its just a case of tolerating religion and working around it.
    But, what do they do in Israel ?
    In this case you are incorrect. Hospitals generally have strict policies as to the requirement to work every other weekend. If someone has the overriding need to avoid work on Saturday then a hospital is not required to accommodate them upon hire.

    Sometimes, yes, they work it out in individual cases, if there is someone with the opposite need, such as the case of a nurse who wants Sundays off. But I know for a fact that you can't march into an HR office and demand this.

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If it was completely unrelated to her job, then I agree that they should allow her to wear the hijab. But she isn't applying for a desk job here, she's applying for a retail job at a clothing store. The way she dresses is absolutely relevant to the job, and therefore the company is perfectly justified in telling her she can't wear it if she wants the job.



    Yo Godwin I know you makin your law, and I'ma let you finish, but Murphy had one of the best laws of all time.

    There is nothing wrong with A&F's decision here. It's based on a desire to market their image, not a desire to discriminate against Muslims. If I was their hiring manager, I would make exactly the same decision.
    If I were the hiring manager I would have said "We will review your application after interviewing the other candidates and get back to you"

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If it was completely unrelated to her job, then I agree that they should allow her to wear the hijab. But she isn't applying for a desk job here, she's applying for a retail job at a clothing store. The way she dresses is absolutely relevant to the job, and therefore the company is perfectly justified in telling her she can't wear it if she wants the job.
    I'll also add that when I worked at American Eagle, we were required to wear all AE stuff all the time while we were working. It wasn't just for the sake of brand image, but also so that if someone said they liked your jeans or hat, you could turn around and sell it to them.

    If A&F only sold hijabs....
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    ****ing retarded.

    Any business should be allowed to require a certain dress code of their choosing. Don't want to comply to it? Don't ****ing work there.

    Has jack all to do with religion in this case, and everything to do with her clothing.

    I hope A&F fights this all the way and wins.

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    finding a minority model in A&F catalogs is like reading a Where's Waldo? book.
    LMAO. Thank you for making my day.
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    I think the Manager(or whomever was doing the interview) was the idiot. You don't EVER tell somebody the reason they weren't hired is because of what they are wearing. You tell them you'll discuss it with somebody else, you'll review their application, whatever and get back to them. The minute he got into the whole head scarf thing they screwed up. You don't ever give reason for not hiring somebody. You don't have to.

    On a second note : Now that people mention it....I've never even seen a black kid at A&F.....or AE....Aeropostale has a few.
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think the Manager(or whomever was doing the interview) was the idiot. You don't EVER tell somebody the reason they weren't hired is because of what they are wearing. You tell them you'll discuss it with somebody else, you'll review their application, whatever and get back to them. The minute he got into the whole head scarf thing they screwed up. You don't ever give reason for not hiring somebody. You don't have to.

    On a second note : Now that people mention it....I've never even seen a black kid at A&F.....or AE....Aeropostale has a few.
    Why should a company be pc about telling people why they were not hired. The woman is an adult she should be able to handle a company telling her why she didn't get the job.
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why should a company be pc about telling people why they were not hired.
    So that they(the people who they refused to hired because of race, religion, gender etc.) have no grounds to sue them under the Civil Rights act. Next question?
    Last edited by Hatuey; 09-19-09 at 09:29 AM.
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So that they(the people who they refused to hired because of race, religion, gender etc.) have no grounds to sue them under the Civil Rights act. Next question?
    She wasn't refused a job because of religion she was refused a job because of clothing.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    She wasn't refused a job because of religion she was refused a job because of clothing.
    Read the article :

    In the lawsuit filed Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Tulsa by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, 17-year-old Samantha Elauf said she applied for a sales position at the Abercrombie Kids store in the Woodland Hills Mall in June 2008. The teen, who wears a hijab in accordance with her religious beliefs, claims the manager told her the head scarf violates the store's "Look Policy."
    Muslim justification for the Hijab in the Koran :

    “And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear therof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.” (Quran 24:31).
    “O you Children of Adam! We have bestowed on you raiment to cover your shame as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness, that is the best. Such are among the Signs of Allah, that they may receive admonition.” (Quran 7:26)
    “O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 33:59)
    The clothing is part of the religion in this case. Just like the Yamulka is part of Judaism.
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