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Thread: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    I think of the guy that lost his suit against Hooters. He wanted to be a Hooters girl or something.

    Nope, businesses can discriminate and uphold an image in dress.

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    How many white men are used in ads to sell, forgive my spelling, do-rags?
    how many white women are used to sell hajibs? I see more of these since there some whites that wear them, but still, really
    how many muslims are in a yamulke advertisement?
    how many men are in ads selling skirts (outside of San Fran & Greenwich Village ;0)

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    making an allowance for religious dress, particularly if it's as inoffensive as a head scarf is pretty reasonable.
    What if she wanted to work at Hooters as a waitress? Should Hooters allow her to wear a hajib as a waitress?
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    How many white men are used in ads to sell, forgive my spelling, do-rags?
    how many white women are used to sell hajibs? I see more of these since there some whites that wear them, but still, really
    how many muslims are in a yamulke advertisement?
    how many men are in ads selling skirts (outside of San Fran & Greenwich Village ;0)
    How many guys in yarmulkes work at Hooters?

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What if she wanted to work at Hooters as a waitress? Should Hooters allow her to wear a hajib as a waitress?
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    What back pay is she entitled to if she was never employed by the company? There was no obligation of the company to hire her and there was no agreed pay specified which would lead to no back pay being owed, as far as I can tell. And did her job search just end with a rejection from A&F company?
    The back pay thing is because the law provides for it. It's a weird quirk, but it operates under the (rebuttable, I think) presumption that once you were turned down for that particular job, you were unable to find other employment and should thus be compensated for your lost work.

    I guess more importantly, though, is the question: does a company who's marketing is based on looks and sells a certain "look" to a target demographic have an obligation to accommodate individuals who don't or won't make concessions to accommodate their marketing strategies?

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    I understand and agree with the underlying rationale for these laws, but I think they've been overenforced. As pointed out by rathi, a black kid shouldn't be discriminated against because black kids don't fit with an image, but it's a stretch to say that you have to allow someone to wear a hijab/burqa/yarmulke/indian headdress at the job simply because it's part of their religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    making an allowance for religious dress, particularly if it's as inoffensive as a head scarf is pretty reasonable.

    this basically cements Abercrombie and Fitch as the nazi retailer, if their Hitler Youth-esque catalogs didn't already.
    I would agree that the hijab seems pretty innocuous, but a line has to be drawn somewhere and I can see the argument that it should come down on the other side.
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    While she is correct on the religious grounds per se, Islam does not require her to wear a headscarf, and therefore her argument fails.

    And to make it extra hysterical, what do we do when a religion who mandates nudity has its followers suing?

    A look policy is largely a valid argument. Imagine Nike hiring a guy who only wore Adidas clothing. Yeah...that will go over real well.
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    I think of the guy that lost his suit against Hooters. He wanted to be a Hooters girl or something.

    Nope, businesses can discriminate and uphold an image in dress.
    Uphold an image in dress yes, discriminate (on religious, racial, or gender related reasons, of course)? I'd like to see that proven.
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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    What about an observant Jewish nurse? Does she/he have a right to expect not to work on Saturdays, when working every other weekend is standard for hospital nurses?
    As I see it, no problem, The Jewish nurses have no problems with working on Sundays and Christmas day; true, or radical Christians, of course, do..Its just a case of tolerating religion and working around it.
    But, what do they do in Israel ?

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    Re: Is A&F obligated to change its "Look Policy" to accommodate religious garb?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    making an allowance for religious dress, particularly if it's as inoffensive as a head scarf is pretty reasonable.
    If it was completely unrelated to her job, then I agree that they should allow her to wear the hijab. But she isn't applying for a desk job here, she's applying for a retail job at a clothing store. The way she dresses is absolutely relevant to the job, and therefore the company is perfectly justified in telling her she can't wear it if she wants the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you
    this basically cements Abercrombie and Fitch as the nazi retailer, if their Hitler Youth-esque catalogs didn't already.
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    There is nothing wrong with A&F's decision here. It's based on a desire to market their image, not a desire to discriminate against Muslims. If I was their hiring manager, I would make exactly the same decision.
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