View Poll Results: Would you support a health care bill without a public option?

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  • Yes, a public option is what is wrong with current reform plans

    8 14.81%
  • Yes, a partial reform bill is better than no reform bill

    7 12.96%
  • Yes, I like reform, but not a public option at least now

    6 11.11%
  • No, no reform is needed

    8 14.81%
  • No, no public option makes the bill not worth passing

    15 27.78%
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Thread: Yet Another Health Care poll

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Absolutely, *EVERYONE* should be required to pay their own health care costs. Why is that even a question?
    Not just absolutely, but abso-frigging-lutely.

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Absolutely, *EVERYONE* should be required to pay their own health care costs. Why is that even a question?
    This is rich!

    So tell me, are you in favor of scrapping medicaid, and also believe that in doing so, it would bring down the cost in elderly health care?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    I offered to have the conversation.
    He backed off.
    No other way to look at it.
    You offered essentially squat, and refuse to respond in any authentic fashion, of which i am forced to view it as fear. Goobie loves to talk big, but when it is time to back it up, he runs for cover
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You offered essentially squat...
    Utter nonesense.

    I told you to pontificate to your heart's content, and then I would respond.

    You -refused- to do so, as all you wanted from the exhange was the opportunity to make personal attacks.

    You know it. I know it.

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Utter nonesense.

    I told you to pontificate to your heart's content, and then I would respond.

    You -refused- to do so, as all you wanted from the exhange was the opportunity to make personal attacks.

    You know it. I know it.
    You were asked a question by another poster, and in the same fashion displayed in the health care fine thread, you ran for cover. I made a legitimate comment on the fact that you tend to hide when asked to walk the walk. This is common DP knowledge

    Care to elaborate on my so called "personal attacks"? You have to ask yourself, am i attacking you as a person, or attacking the idea's you spew. Or maybe, next time i will refrain from using question marks at the end of my questions. You never seem to reply to sentences ending in them....
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You were asked a question by another poster, and in the same fashion displayed in the health care fine thread, you ran for cover. I made a legitimate comment on the fact that you tend to hide when asked to walk the walk. This is common DP knowledge
    None of this changes a -thing- that I said.

    You were asked to put up, and you chose to shut up.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 09-21-09 at 03:31 PM.

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    None of this changes a -thing- that I said.

    You were asked to put up, and you chose to shut up.
    In the previous thread where a fine was proposed for those who do not purchase health care, you stated you were utterly against it based on the premise of criminality. I responded in proper form asking you your opinion of Pigouvian taxation, of which you were so filled with fear on that request, you utterly ran away.

    My question was, instead of a fine, if we were to view it as a tax, are you still against the idea?

    In another thread, you actually had the balls to say:

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So... you don't have an answer to my questions.

    What a shock.

    When you do, please let me know.

    Please note that this conversations -always- ends with me asking you these questions and you running away from them; this time will obviously not be any different.


    I think you have shuffled yourself off of a plank.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    In the previous thread where a fine was proposed for those who do not purchase health care, you stated you were utterly against it based on the premise of criminality. I responded in proper form asking you your opinion of Pigouvian taxation, of which you were so filled with fear on that request, you utterly ran away.
    This is, of course, an outright lie.

    That you need to lie in order to make a point says all that needs to be said.

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is, of course, an outright lie.

    That you need to lie in order to make a point says all that needs to be said.
    No need to lie. Your actions tell all.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    For clairification:

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Do you believe pigouvian taxes are unjust?
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This does not address my post.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I know. His question was in response to mione, and as such, I need not answer it. Fact remains, his question does not address my post.
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    Hold your breath.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    hardly -- see below.


    The problem here is that we're talking fines, not taxes.
    Therefore, none of this applies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I beg to differ. What is the difference between a pigouvian tax and a fine?
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The issue here is the idea of FINES as a penalty for not having health care.

    If you want to dicuss something else, like taxes, go somewhere else and discuss it.


    Its even MORE obvious as to why -you- don't want to discuss the issue at hand.
    Two health care threads in which you refuse to have a serious discussion due to fear alone....
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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