View Poll Results: Would you support a health care bill without a public option?

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  • Yes, a public option is what is wrong with current reform plans

    8 14.81%
  • Yes, a partial reform bill is better than no reform bill

    7 12.96%
  • Yes, I like reform, but not a public option at least now

    6 11.11%
  • No, no reform is needed

    8 14.81%
  • No, no public option makes the bill not worth passing

    15 27.78%
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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Until they are willing to address the underlying problems with the current health-care system, anything they do will not fix the problems, it will only exacerbate them. Unfortunately, addressing the actual problems is political suicide, the political parties get a lot of political donations from the problematic parties and pissing them off is going to cost them elections, therefore they'll never touch them.

    So I'd rather see no fixes if the fixes aren't going to actually solve the problems. They can come back when they're serious.
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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    For those of you who are saying that no public option means that the bill is bad, let me rephrase this question for you:

    Suppose that at the end of the day, the votes simply are not there for a public option. Would you then believe that insurance companies should be allowed to continue cancelling plans, discriminating against those with pre-existing conditions, and looking for any pretext to avoid paying out claims...even if Congress has the votes to prevent all of these abuses?
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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So not only are you in favor of allowing hospitals to deny emergency care to anyone who lacks insurance, but you ALSO favor making it illegal for them to get insurance in the first place? In other words, you think it should be a giant crapshoot whether anyone gets emergency treatment for anything?
    Read what I said -- it pretty plain.

    If the problem is the cost of health care, with said cost meaning that some people cannot afford it, then the solution is to lower costs. Eliminating third-party payment and exposing the consumer to the full cost of the goods and services he receives creates competition, which lowers prices and improves quality.

    For someone who is so obsessed with the immorality of others denying you the right to your own property, you are quite eager to take that same right away from others.
    Morality? Where do I discuss morality here?

    On the contrary -- I'm not taking anything for everyone; you absolutely retain the right to health care, and your ability to exercise that right is improved through the lowering of costs.

    Hey remember that time you accused me of wanting to force everyone to live their lives the way I want them to...and then you advocated banning people from getting health insurance? ****ing hypocrite.
    That accusation stands; your pre-pubescent commentary denotes a profound, and likely willful, ignorance.

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Read what I said -- it pretty plain.

    If the problem is the cost of health care, with said cost meaning that some people cannot afford it, then the solution is to lower costs. Eliminating third-party payment and exposing the consumer to the full cost of the goods and services he receives creates competition, which lowers prices and improves quality.
    Applying the same generic rhetoric in regards to policy revolving around market optimality does nothing to prove your point. First and foremost, you will have to diverge the elasticity of the demand for this specific service known as health care. As we all know, when you are in dire need of medical care, even a rational consumer will go into debt to ensure recovery. Right there you can attest the demand for health care to be inelastic.

    Your solution in "exposing the consumer" makes little sense. No matter how much you fluctuate prices, the quantity demanded for health care will not change by very much.

    Quick question, although i expect a sub par response: Should the elderly be exposed to their own costs of health care? Why, or why not?
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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Applying the same generic rhetoric...
    I'm sorry -- given how you were so very obviously -not- interested in a legitimate discussion of pigovian taxation, looking instead only for a vehicle to deliver personal attacks, I see no reason to consider the possibility that any of your subsequent comments or questions contain any degree of authenticity.


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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'm sorry -- given how you were so very obviously -not- interested in a legitimate discussion of pigovian taxation, looking instead only for a vehicle to deliver personal attacks, I see no reason to consider the possibility that any of your subsequent comments or questions contain any degree of authenticity.

    Are you afraid of addressing the flaws in your argument? If so, then there is no need to attempt to save face.

    Your naive application of the price mechanism does not apply in cases where demand is as inelastic as in the case of health care. Run along now
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Are you afraid of addressing the flaws in your argument? If so, then there is no need to attempt to save face.

    Your naive application of the price mechanism does not apply in cases where demand is as inelastic as in the case of health care. Run along now
    I see no reason to consider the possibility that any of your subsequent comments or questions contain any degree of authenticity...

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'm sorry -- given how you were so very obviously -not- interested in a legitimate discussion of pigovian taxation, looking instead only for a vehicle to deliver personal attacks, I see no reason to consider the possibility that any of your subsequent comments or questions contain any degree of authenticity.

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You are hilarious.

    I offered to have the conversation.
    He backed off.
    No other way to look at it.

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    Re: Yet Another Health Care poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Quick question, although i expect a sub par response: Should the elderly be exposed to their own costs of health care? Why, or why not?
    Absolutely, *EVERYONE* should be required to pay their own health care costs. Why is that even a question?
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