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    Re: What should the drinking age be?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    However, unfortuantly our military would not be able to exist very well today if it could not enlist soldiers at an age of 18. There is constantly a shortage of soldiers as it is, so we can't afford to only have completely mature soldiers.


    I don't have too much disagreement with individuals voting at age 21, but since they could be soldiers at age 18 for the reasons I stated above, that is then problematic.
    True, we'd be short on troops. All the more motivation for our government to be more judicioius in their use

    It would be in the best interest of youth to not have the option to enlist right out of high school, and get more experience before hand.
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    Re: What should the drinking age be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This would only serve to delay adolescence further into the late 20s. Which is not, I suspect, what you'd like to see happen here.
    You are arguing that being able to vote and legally drink would hasten a youth into adulthood? Surely that isnt the case. What's done is done; adulthood has been seriously delayed by other more serious factors.
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    Re: What should the drinking age be?

    Quote Originally Posted by KillerAngel View Post
    You are arguing that being able to vote and legally drink would hasten a youth into adulthood? Surely that isnt the case. What's done is done; adulthood has been seriously delayed by other more serious factors.
    Adulthood has been delayed by our refusal to treat young adults like adults. Nothing more or less.

    Let me put it like this. My daughter had her first drink of alcohol at 15. I know this, because she told me about it. I would much prefer that she experiment with alcohol, as a teen, because I can step in and rescue her if need be. Much more stupid would be for me to allow her to go off to college with no sense of internal boundaries on the subject.

    Externally imposed boundaries DON'T WORK. The overwhelming majority of teens start drinking at 15-17 years of age, regardless of law. The laws force them to do it in the shadows, without adult supervision. That's why our rates of alcoholism are significantly higher than those in European countries where teens are legally able to drink at 16 or 17.

    Take away the mystery and the taboo, and you take away the lure.
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    Re: What should the drinking age be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Adulthood has been delayed by our refusal to treat young adults like adults. Nothing more or less.
    But what of the more concrete issues? Like finishing school and being able to support oneself? You can treat a person "like an adult" all you want, but if they are still living at home and financially dependent on their folks...

    EDIT: You added more while I wrote a reply, so here's my reponse to the rest of your post.

    Yes, external and artificial limits won't necessary help anything. But neither will giving a person a drink at age 12, 15, or 18 necessarily do anything either. It depends on the person.
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    Re: What should the drinking age be?

    Quote Originally Posted by KillerAngel View Post
    But what of the more concrete issues? Like finishing school and being able to support oneself? You can treat a person "like an adult" all you want, but if they are still living at home and financially dependent on their folks...
    It's a process. If you want people to gracefully assume the responsibilities of adulthood, then you gradually transition them into doing so, rather than postponing it as long as possible. It's a matter of how you see your role. I see my role to be the creation of a fully functioning, mostly independent human being by the time she goes off to college. That's my job. So, I'm allowing her to experience some freedoms now so she will be used to them and able to handle them by the time she goes. Now is her time to make mistakes, and learn from them.
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    Re: What should the drinking age be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's a process. If you want people to gracefully assume the responsibilities of adulthood, then you gradually transition them into doing so, rather than postponing it as long as possible. It's a matter of how you see your role. I see my role to be the creation of a fully functioning, mostly independent human being by the time she goes off to college. That's my job. So, I'm allowing her to experience some freedoms now so she will be used to them and able to handle them by the time she goes. Now is her time to make mistakes, and learn from them.
    Hey I'd be the first person to argue that it should be up to the parents. I'd be totally in favor of a law that took off age restrictions with parental consent... assuming, of course, that the parents took responsibility for any adverse affects.
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    Re: What should the drinking age be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    My view is that some drinks like beer and maybe wine should be at 18 and hard licoror should be at 21.
    that's a good idea, but the ages should be changed to 16 for beer and 18 for alcohol.

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    Re: What should the drinking age be?

    It was not long ago when my 19 year old mother drank legally in college. It was also not long ago that I started drinking in high school. I have come to the conclusion that the drinking age at 21, 18 or 19 is mostly irrelevant, except in terms of supposed brain development. A certain part of me believes there is some (while working at a liquor store, I knew it was easily to come to the conclusion that legal drinkers are hardly mature at all) maturity level difference from 17/18->20/21, but I also realize that much of that could be reliant upon the responsibility of the law and its effects on the law abiding citizen.

    I see no real reason to actively campaign for removal of the current restriction, or rather, actively campaign to maintain it.
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    Re: What should the drinking age be?

    The drinking age was 18 in Kansas and 21 in Missouri when I started my freshman year of college, and my college was close enough to Kansas that if we wanted to get cheap legal beer, we did so with impunity. I don't see that the law impacted my drinking in college at all, either way. That's why the idea of lowering it to 18 doesn't worry me too much. Frankly, if the law had been 18 in my home state, I'd probably have driven drunk a lot less.

    Just saying...

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    Re: What should the drinking age be?

    Quote Originally Posted by KillerAngel View Post
    Hey I'd be the first person to argue that it should be up to the parents. I'd be totally in favor of a law that took off age restrictions with parental consent... assuming, of course, that the parents took responsibility for any adverse affects.
    I'm actually okay with my daughter having an occasional drink as long as she never drinks and drives, and never gets in a car with someone who is drinking. That's the major rule at our house. I grew up in a strict, tee-totaling, southern baptist home, and my parents never drank. i was a complete drunk in college, and often drove when I was too drunk to walk. That obviously didn't work on me. I'm taking a different approach with my daughter and hoping it works better.

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