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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Since I, like most men, don't pay much attention to dress, all I have to go on is her physical appearance, which isn't that great from where I'm sitting.
    Must have very different tastes when it comes to what is pretty on a woman.



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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Come on Jall. You know there is a long history of white supremists claiming blacks are sub human monkeys/chimps/apes. There is a reason why some folks are sensative to comparisons of any black figures to monkeys/chimps/apes.
    That's not a singularly black thing, much as race baiters and those who need race as a crutch in debate would like to annex it as their own. It was done to the Chinese, to the Irish, to Africans, to Europeans by other Europeans.

    It's not a particularly black thing: its what humans do to each other...because monkeys are a step down on the ladder but not so absurd as calling another human a turtle or a goose.

    I don't buy the whole poor, down trodden black experience of being called a monkey right before massa's whip came barreling down. That's over now.

    That said, I don't think every time we see it, its automatically racist. Bush was caricatured as a chimp based on physical features and I don't think its a stretch to make the same caricature for Obama based solely on his physical appearance.
    Exactly. Which prompted my question: what's racist about it?

    I notice she ran like hell from the question.

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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I so wish we'd do something similar to the UK's Parilament and have a periodic question time.
    I wish we could steal your primaries ... and mid terms ... and town meetings ...

    We may have PMQ which is used every week to give another kicking to Brown whilst he is down but believe me, your system is much better when it comes to holding a politican to account no matter how much it seems it does nothing.


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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    For those who don't have a problem with these sort of caricatures, don't pretend there isn't a long history of racists using similar caricatures.
    It certainly CAN be racist. Anyone saying it absolutely can't be is insane. I just think its also wrong to say that it absolutely IS racist.

    Context matters in that and there is no reason to see that and immedietely, instantly, assume the person is making a racist joke or trying to be racist or claiming that is what it is.

    Perhaps in an absolute vaccum that assuption that could be assumed, but things don't exist in an absolute vacuum.

    And I reject this notion that someone shouldn't post it or make such jokes out of this asinine feeling of Political Correctness so many people have.

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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's not a singularly black thing, much as race baiters and those who need race as a crutch in debate would like to annex it as their own. It was done to the Chinese, to the Irish, to Africans, to Europeans by other Europeans.

    It's not a particularly black thing: its what humans do to each other...because monkeys are a step down on the ladder but not so absurd as calling another human a turtle or a goose.

    I don't buy the whole poor, down trodden black experience of being called a monkey right before massa's whip came barreling down. That's over now.
    You are quite correct that the monkey/subhuman slur has been used against other races and ethnicities. I remember the first time I saw an old political cartoon with an ape dressed like a leprachaun in a history class. It made no sense to me and my class. My prof had to explain to all of us that it was a common slur against the "subhuman" Irish at the time the cartoon was published.

    That said, I do think blacks have it a little different. Most ethnicities were assimilated and no longer had to deal with severe prejudice in a generation or two. The Irish were slurred in the mid 1800's, but the turn of the 20th century they were mainstream and running the political machines of many major cities. Blacks were not allowed to assimulate for years, first due to slavery and then segregation. They've dealt with this slur for centuries, not a generation or two. I can understand sensativity on their part.

    And again, that said, I think we've come a long way on race and such caricatures no longer are exclusively racist.
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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It certainly CAN be racist. Anyone saying it absolutely can't be is insane. I just think its also wrong to say that it absolutely IS racist.

    Context matters in that and there is no reason to see that and immedietely, instantly, assume the person is making a racist joke or trying to be racist or claiming that is what it is.

    Perhaps in an absolute vaccum that assuption that could be assumed, but things don't exist in an absolute vacuum.

    And I reject this notion that someone shouldn't post it or make such jokes out of this asinine feeling of Political Correctness so many people have.
    I agree. On the other hand, I can understand why some blacks have a knee jerk reaction to be offended by such things. I don't agree with them, but I understand it.

    Its like the Confederate flag. Its been used as a symbol of the south and state rights, but its also been used as a symbol of racial hatred. The Confederacy fought a war over the specific state right to keep and own slaves. To say "How can you be offended by this?" just strikes me as disengenous.

    I don't agree with them taking automatic offense. I agree context is important, but I also understand that certain images have cultural baggage that we haven't quite managed to drop just yet.
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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    And again, that said, I think we've come a long way on race and such caricatures no longer are exclusively racist.
    Perhaps not exclusively. But i'd say it is used more for racial purposes than anything else.


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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    And again, that said, I think we've come a long way on race and such caricatures no longer are exclusively racist.
    And that was my entire point. As Zyph said, it is foolish to try to convince anyone that it can't be racist, but it is just as asinine to take the stance that it has to be racist.

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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Perhaps not exclusively. But i'd say it is used more for racial purposes than anything else.
    Then explain how it was racist when it was used against Bush so many times...

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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    so it wasn't when movies about assasinating bush came out, it wasn't when politicians on the left called troops nazis, murderers and war criminals, It wasn't when a hurricane was blamed on a president, it wasn't when protestors carried signs for troops to shoot thier officers.


    nah, its now, that there is a "rise"


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