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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are we becoming a nation of incivility? No, we have been on this path for a long time. Is it worse not than it has been? I suspect so, though it's hard to judge properly.

    I find interesting that every time this topic comes up, our friends on the right point out when those on the left did such things, and never manage to actually condemn those of their own who commit outrageous acts.
    It's wrong to yell "kill him" in regards to Obama, I agree. Not sure why I would have to condemn such a thing as I am not a Palin supporter or a Republican.

    Calling Obama a liar (which he is) didn't really bother me, just as the Dems booing of Bush didn't really bother me, so there's no inconsistency there on my part.

    Disrupting a town hall meeting is wrong. Everyone should remain calm and civil towards one another. I just figured that was assumed.

    Of course, this all assumes I'm part of "the right", which I don't think I am.

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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, thank you. i remember everything you mentioned.

    i DO NOT remember a congressman calling a president a liar during an address to congress. i don NOT remember cries of "kill him" at a presidential rally, and i do NOT remember people calling our first lady a gorilla. do you?
    Ummmmm, how is any of this worse than calling Bush a:

    Nazi
    War-monger
    Imperialist
    Satan
    Fascist

    ???

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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are we becoming a nation of incivility? No, we have been on this path for a long time. Is it worse not than it has been? I suspect so, though it's hard to judge properly.

    I find interesting that every time this topic comes up, our friends on the right point out when those on the left did such things, and never manage to actually condemn those of their own who commit outrageous acts.
    Only five posts above yours ...

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    That doesn't make it right of course. I hated over the top partisan hackery and insanity when the left was doing it and I hate it just as much now that the right is doing it.
    Slipping into madness is good for the sake of comparison - Unknown.

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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I remember things of the same nature, yes.
    really, when and where? on the floor of the house, being called a liar? laura bush being called a gorilla? someone at a kerry rally shouting to kill bush?

    really?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are we becoming a nation of incivility? No, we have been on this path for a long time. Is it worse now than it has been? I suspect so, though it's hard to judge properly.

    I find interesting that every time this topic comes up, our friends on the right point out when those on the left did such things, and never manage to actually condemn those of their own who commit outrageous acts.
    i have no issues with vocal debate, or even heated debate. calling someone a liar during a presidential address is not even close to debate.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i have no issues with vocal debate, or even heated debate. calling someone a liar during a presidential address is not even close to debate.
    What about booing him?

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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Are we becoming a nation of incivility?

    First we had the Palin crowd shouting things like "Kill him" in regards to Barack Obama.

    Then we had the folk that showed up at town hall meetings, yelling and disrupting.

    Now we have Joe Wilson shouting out during the President's address to Congress, Serena Williams fighting with the line judge and Kayne West interrupting the VMA awards.

    Are we seeing a new rise of incivility in America today?
    What a fascinatingly false statement. I am amused how you ignore the Liberal Democrat incivility starting with the Bork hearings, the Clarence Thomas hearings, the farcical claims that Bush stole an election, the booing of Bush during his delivery of the 2005 State of the Union and the demogoguery of Democrats against their political opponents in the court of Public opinion.

    Why do you suppose that you ignored all that incivility? Got bias and hypocrisy here?

    Anyone with even a modicum of intellectual honesty can go back to the Bork hearings and historically see that the party that invests itself in the most outrageous uncivil partisan behavior happens to rest mostly with the Democrat Party.

    So my answer is "YES", we are becoming less civil thanks to the efforts of a Party whose Socialist ideals cannot stand on their own and uses the strategy of demoagoguing and impugning the character of their political opponents in the court of public opinion rather than have an honest truthful debate on political ideals, goals and philosophy.

    But the notion that your reasoning supports my yes vote would definitely require the willful suspension of disbelief, of truth, of honesty and willful denial.

    My favorite speech was this one which pretty much sums up the Hypocrisy of Democrats and Liberals these days:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CzteDucRHo"]YouTube - Hillary Clinton - I am Sick & Tired (Right to Protest)[/ame]

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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Now there's a strawman if I ever saw one!!! There was no claim that there was no incivility while Bush was in office.


    Interestingly, Republican pollster and consultant Frank Luntz, is releasing a new book on the topic and he emphatically says 'Yes'. The American public now, compared to 2000, is ruder and more insulting:
    Oh gee, if Luntz says it, then it must be so!

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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really, when and where? on the floor of the house, being called a liar? laura bush being called a gorilla? someone at a kerry rally shouting to kill bush?

    really?
    Yes, really. They boo'd him and loudly murmured about him when he gave speeches. They called him war chimp. Pictures depicting him hanging by a noose were not uncommon. You are just sensitive about it now because he's "your guy".

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    Re: Are we becoming a nation of incivility

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    of course there was.......and it all started in the clinton admin. ;-)
    Yes, the Clinton Administrations efforts to lie, to distort the efforts of the previous administration and ignore the threat of terrorism and impugn Republicans while they balanced the Federal budget for the very first time in five decades was equally hypocritical.

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