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Thread: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    If and when things get violent. It won't be because health care reform passes.

    It will be because people refuse to come to grips and admit they lost an election thru every fault of their own and lost it fair and square in tough fought campaign. To a black man.
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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    First of all, that isn't true - the more statist / socialist political ideas don't win every single election, so when they lose it could be considered a victory of the libertarian ideas, whether fully understood by the voters or not. Economic freedom is slowly on the rise all over the world!
    There's a difference between statist/socialist parties not winning and libertarians winning. If a moderate party wins, that's people deciding they want to be just a bit less statist, not wanting to be more libertarian. When parties that are very moderately more statist win, it's not a victory for communism.

    And second - statists tend to win because they're more willing to lie, steal, cheat, brainwash, torture, and kill tens of millions of people, or do whatever else is necessary to gain and expand their power. Well, pardon me for not being willing to sink to their level...
    Uh huh, right. What about in open democratic societies where they can at least get their voices heard?
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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    It seems to be the Left that has historically been prone to rioting and violence actually. From anti-war protests to race riots to WTO protests, what else? During the 60s and 70s you had quite a few instances of violence from the Left.

    On the Right you have had the Oklahoma City bombing and radical anti-abortion acts of terrorisms, what else?

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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    as mad as people are now it will on;y get worse

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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    [...] What about in open democratic societies where they can at least get their voices heard?
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government that can remain stable in a modern post-industrialized society. It is characterized by subtle yet highly effective use of brainwashing to allow passive control of the subjects, who are "kept on a long leash" and are allowed to keep a faction of the wealth they create for their own use. They are led to believe that the government exists in their interest, and the lowest common denominator of their opinions is pandered to in some trivial matters (i.e. election of figureheads).

    By effectively encouraging blind faith in the government system, democratic governments can get away much higher levels of infringement on individual rights than less manipulative forms of government. History is filled with examples of peasant uprisings against a tyrannical ruler, but in a democracy people's anger is manipulated and misdirected toward trivial rituals (i.e. voting). Since governments always have more influence on the public (i.e. public schooling) than the other way around, and because the system is rigged on other levels as well, there exists no real danger of those rituals ever challenging the entrenched ruling class of government bureaucrats and their allies.

    Democracy is the greatest threat that currently exists to the hope of eventual freedom for mankind, freedom of course being based on uninfringeable individual rights that can only exist in a pure free-market capitalist society.


    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    On the Right you have had the Oklahoma City bombing and radical anti-abortion acts of terrorisms, what else?
    There is no substantive difference between the "left" / "liberal" statists and "right" / "conservative" statists, there's just the question of degree to which individual rights (including parents' rights, the natural right to homestead and defend property, etc) are violated. By that definition, all acts of violence originate with the statists, no matter if it's just one petty shoplifter, a bunch of armed anti-abortion nuts, or an organized political elite.

    The OKC bombing (assuming it really was masterminded by McVeigh and Nichols alone) was intended as an act of self-defense, and I can agree with that logic to a degree, but not completely. Adults who choose to work for a violent institution may be fair game, but how hard would it be to check if there's a day-care center in that building! There were much better targets for them to choose from...
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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post



    There is no substantive difference between the "left" / "liberal" statists and "right" / "conservative" statists, there's just the question of degree to which individual rights (including parents' rights, the natural right to homestead and defend property, etc) are violated. By that definition, all acts of violence originate with the statists, no matter if it's just one petty shoplifter, a bunch of armed anti-abortion nuts, or an organized political elite.

    The OKC bombing (assuming it really was masterminded by McVeigh and Nichols alone) was intended as an act of self-defense, and I can agree with that logic to a degree, but not completely. Adults who choose to work for a violent institution may be fair game, but how hard would it be to check if there's a day-care center in that building! There were much better targets for them to choose from...
    Your only objection is that the building had a day care center?
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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post



    There is no substantive difference between the "left" / "liberal" statists and "right" / "conservative" statists, there's just the question of degree to which individual rights (including parents' rights, the natural right to homestead and defend property, etc) are violated. By that definition, all acts of violence originate with the statists, no matter if it's just one petty shoplifter, a bunch of armed anti-abortion nuts, or an organized political elite.

    The OKC bombing (assuming it really was masterminded by McVeigh and Nichols alone) was intended as an act of self-defense, and I can agree with that logic to a degree, but not completely. Adults who choose to work for a violent institution may be fair game, but how hard would it be to check if there's a day-care center in that building! There were much better targets for them to choose from...
    You've got to be kidding? You think somehow that the OK city bombing was 'self defense? What were they defending themselves from?

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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    if it doesnt it should

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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    I am the eternal pessimist,then, as I voted yes on the occurrence of violence which of course, is not good, its never good..
    Wonderful to see 80% no votes. Maybe I am interpreting the Internet bluster as more than what it really is.

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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Your only objection is that the building had a day care center?
    Failure to take reasonable steps to avoid killing innocent children should definitely be taboo in any kind of warfare. Of course the government didn't follow this rule in Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc - but one would expect a person acting in self-defense to follow a higher moral standard than the aggressor.


    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    You've got to be kidding? You think somehow that the OK city bombing was 'self defense? What were they defending themselves from?
    The government.

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