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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The right end of the political spectrum has gotten worked up lately, more worked up and agitated than I can remember people getting in a long time. My fear is this: imagine that Obama gets health care reform through congress. We have people at town hall meetings, one of our oldest democratic traditions, shouting out congressmen. We have people bringing guns to political events (that aren't even gun related), and going on about the blood of tyrants. When I see how much hatred and anger is on the far right at this moment, it makes me scared that if they don't get their way they might turn violent. We're talking about violence on a scale larger than a few nuts here and there. Does anyone else see the same thing happening?
    how about maybe, and it's a bad thing?

    i believe politicians on the right are tapping into a conscience as well as unconscience well of racism in their constituents, and allowing bad behavior to become the norm. when you have wilson, r-asshole, actually autographing pictures of himself calling the president a liar, you know we have some out of control people, who are probably armed.

    i'm gettin' a gun.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    Actually excessing a constitutional right that this administration is trying to destroy, but thanks for your insightful commentary
    do you have some proof that this administration is trying to destroy any constitutional rights? thanks.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    I was going to start my response with something along the lines of "you liberals always fall back to nuclear weapons and or the first amendment and how it's 'reasonably regulated'"...


    But you seem to have a genuine interest in talking about this.

    You weren't asking about my definition, but if you are.. in my beliefs the 2nd Amendment has already been destroyed by anti-gun nuts. Limiting the rights of law abiding citizenry to firearms via: registration, regulation, or wait periods has diminished the Second Amendment horribly.
    I fail to see how it has diminished it. You can still own a gun, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    My possessing a handgun, or ar15, or ak47 doesn't directly affect anyone... Much like your possession of your kitchen knives... Until you take direct action to violate mine, or other's rights with them.
    I see your point here. Although a line has to be drawn somewhere. That's where the real debate is. I can understand your opposition to the AWB as the guns included aren't really assault weapons. They just look scary.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    You're wrong, the 1st amendment is absolute (it's been degraded just like the 2nd amendment has). I have the right to say whatever the **** I want to say as long as I'm not encroaching on other's rights... ie: yelling fire in a crowd.
    Obscenity laws have gone overboard.

    Threats should be prohibited. Libel/slander should have government enforced consequences. (The govt. deciding on civil suits in this case.)
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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I fail to see how it has diminished it. You can still own a gun, right?



    I see your point here. Although a line has to be drawn somewhere. That's where the real debate is. I can understand your opposition to the AWB as the guns included aren't really assault weapons. They just look scary.



    Obscenity laws have gone overboard.

    Threats should be prohibited. Libel/slander should have government enforced consequences. (The govt. deciding on civil suits in this case.)
    You're right, I can still own a gun.. but I cannot own a majority of guns that I'd like to own... Or have the right to own, according to the Constitution.

    Putting regulation on how I can acquire firearms also leads to their being qualifiers as to what guns if any I can own. The Second Amendment doesn't read "The right to keep and bear arms, as long as the government approves.".

    Before you can use the "But people convicted of violent crime / felonies." They have had their rights removed because of their convictions. When they're released, they can file to have their rights restored and again own firearms... Legally.

    I don't believe in any type of ban, really. The idea that law abiding citizens are going to do something with a firearm is pretty worn out. Much like people said when AZ became a shall issue state for our CCWs.. I believe it was along the lines of "shootouts on a daily basis", "blood in the streets", "Cops dying left and right"... none of that came true.... because Law abiding citizenry are not inclined to commit violent crimes. So, limiting their access to firearms or outright banning of them isn't preventing crime.. it's only bolstering illegal firearms in the hands of criminals.. and bolstering their bravado in committing crimes against the law abiding.

    Threats put someone's life in danger's way directly. Libel/Slander much the same, because they can / will affect the person's livelihood directly.

    Your set of kitchen knives in your kitchen... does not affect your neighbor or me. Much like my firearms do not affect you, or your neighbors... Until something is done with them, to affect them / us. (Your knives, or my firearms).
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    how about maybe, and it's a bad thing?

    i believe politicians on the right are tapping into a conscience as well as unconscience well of racism in their constituents, and allowing bad behavior to become the norm. when you have wilson, r-asshole, actually autographing pictures of himself calling the president a liar, you know we have some out of control people, who are probably armed.

    i'm gettin' a gun.
    Why?

    Can't the police protect you? Are you qualified to protect yourself with a firearm? Are you sure you wouldn't just end up hurting one of your neighbors or possibly your son / daughter / spouse when they came home late?

    I believe politicians on the right and left are utilizing a divide and conquer technique that allows them to split the United States of America along a very LARGE fault line.

    While there are many who do not like Obama because of his color (and they're ignorant).... There are just many who dislike him because of his policies...

    And while we're on the topic of separating ourselves from known racists.. Why have the liberals supported / stuck with the racists that Obama has appointed to his staff? ... Oh, wait.. intolerance is okay if it's on your team.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Why?

    Can't the police protect you? Are you qualified to protect yourself with a firearm? Are you sure you wouldn't just end up hurting one of your neighbors or possibly your son / daughter / spouse when they came home late?

    I believe politicians on the right and left are utilizing a divide and conquer technique that allows them to split the United States of America along a very LARGE fault line.

    While there are many who do not like Obama because of his color (and they're ignorant).... There are just many who dislike him because of his policies...

    And while we're on the topic of separating ourselves from known racists.. Why have the liberals supported / stuck with the racists that Obama has appointed to his staff? ... Oh, wait.. intolerance is okay if it's on your team.
    i will argue that many of the people protesting about his "policies" have no freaking clue just what his policies are. they don't care.

    obama is NOT attempting to divide and conquer, right now that's part of his probelm, he's playing too nice.

    what racists on obama's staff are you referring to?

    btw, i have absolutely no issues with repsonsible gun ownership, not a one. of course, to me, responsible ownership doesn't mean carrying to a presidential event, just because one CAN.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    THis manufactured anger is geared towards preventing health care reform, and represents a top down approach whereby those who stand to lose something simply use their chosen talk radio pundits to whip up a frenzy so as to intimidate.

    If healthcare reform is an established fact, then the tactics will change accordingly. Plus, who, exactly will they target with this violence?
    "you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos

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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i will argue that many of the people protesting about his "policies" have no freaking clue just what his policies are. they don't care.

    obama is NOT attempting to divide and conquer, right now that's part of his probelm, he's playing too nice.

    what racists on obama's staff are you referring to?

    btw, i have absolutely no issues with repsonsible gun ownership, not a one. of course, to me, responsible ownership doesn't mean carrying to a presidential event, just because one CAN.
    Obama isn't trying to do ****.

    I'm talking about you and your conservative counterparts. You're only perpetuating the idea that anyone who disagrees with his policies is a racist... because "omg they're part of the same party!"

    Sotamyer is the first that springs to mind... and while it was more curt and discreet, her racism is apparent in the way she speaks of herself... in reference to "non-hispanics".

    Personally, I don't care about racism... it's not something that will make me hate you, or who you support.. because it's a viewpoint... albeit kind of stupid.. but it's your viewpoint, and we live in the United States where we're still allowed to have that freedom.

    But I do find it funny, and Ironic that the left has continually cried foul about racism.


    btw, your idea of "responsible" doesn't change our rights.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Then what point are people trying to prove by bringing guns to rallies?
    They are merely exercising a right within the confines of the law. Has that somehow become bad? Illegal even though it's not? Are we not supposed to exercise our rights at our discretion?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    According to your definition, the 2nd Amendment is already destroyed. I can't own a great deal of weapons. The 2nd is already regulated. "Destroyed" is just hyperbole.

    The 1st Amendment isn't absolute either.
    All rights come with the one and only limitation that you cannot infringe upon the rights of others. The 2nd amendment has been under considerable assault and people now seem to freak out whenever someone merely exercises the right. A bunch of chicken littles running around, heh must of picked that up from the Republicans. The goal should be the full restoration of our rights, not further limitations.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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