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    Re: Sportsmanship



    and we thank him for it, but not enough to pay him.

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    ...I think that's quite obvious.
    Just because I hate to lose doesn't mean I'm unreasonable, though.


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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Did you read any of my posts previous to this? I did yours.

    I'm not saying that at all. you're right, it is insulting.

    I don't think that a team should take a knee every down if they're up 35 points in football.

    I don't think a team should hand the ball over to the opponent when they're up by 40 points in basketball.

    I don't think a team should have their batters just stand and watch the ball go by or throw up lob pitches if they're up by 10 points in baseball.

    I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying is

    You don't throw long bombs on 1st and 2nd down, or fake spiking the ball only to throw a touch down, or go for it on 4th down on your 40 if you're up 35 points and soundely trouncing the opponent in football.

    You don't do non-stop alley oops or have your foot and a half taller man child bust into the paint each and every play or shoot nonstop 3's or play press defense if you're up by 40 points in basektball.

    You don't call constant stolen bases, or pinch hit to get a power batter into the line up, or start pitching inside heat if you're up by 10 points in baseball.

    And you don't sit there and continue to play your entire starting line up as you pulvarize the other team.

    I'm not saying you're supposed to tank the game. I'm saying you don't purposefully try to "Run up the score". If you end up putting your 2nd or third string in there, and run a conservative but reasonable game plan, and you still put up some points then so be it. That's not running up the score in my mind.

    I gave an example from last year. There was some High School Football team that won 90ish to 10, or something absurd like that. However I don't consider that running up the score as once the game was clearly handily won the coach put in all his 2nd and 3rd stringers and basically just did normal running plays or short passes. That's not "running up the score" to me. It would've been just as insulting and embarassing if he had his team just take a knee every down as he would've if he had them throwing bombs with the first team. Both would've been the wrong option and I'm not advocating one over the other.
    Well, I agree with that. I never said you need to run crazy plays or go for the throat when you're up by fifty points. I'm just saying it's okay for a team to try their best, even if they're winning by a lot. Where that line is drawn...I guess that's subjective.

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Well, I agree with that. I never said you need to run crazy plays or go for the throat when you're up by fifty points. I'm just saying it's okay for a team to try their best, even if they're winning by a lot. Where that line is drawn...I guess that's subjective.
    Maybe its a misconceptio non the term "running up the score".

    To me, "running up the score" always meant intentionally trying to score a ton against a lesser opponent, pulling out all stops to get that score.

    That's unsportsmanlike.

    If you're taking steps to not just keep destroying a team, but instead letting your 2nd and 3rd teamers come in, or run a more simple stream lined conservative game plan from then out, and you keep scoring, to me that's not "running the score up".

    I think its bad coaching if you're completely and utterly blowing a team out and you're leaving your starters in there and exploiting glaring weaknesses in the other team the entire time with said starters, especially at sub-college levels.

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Maybe its a misconceptio non the term "running up the score".

    To me, "running up the score" always meant intentionally trying to score a ton against a lesser opponent, pulling out all stops to get that score.

    That's unsportsmanlike.

    If you're taking steps to not just keep destroying a team, but instead letting your 2nd and 3rd teamers come in, or run a more simple stream lined conservative game plan from then out, and you keep scoring, to me that's not "running the score up".

    I think its bad coaching if you're completely and utterly blowing a team out and you're leaving your starters in there and exploiting glaring weaknesses in the other team the entire time with said starters, especially at sub-college levels.
    Very true. Even in professional sports you want to get your second and third stringers in the game when you're winning by a lot, so keeping your starters in at lower levels is just a silly thing to do.

    I just think a team or individual athlete should always do their best, even if that means making the other guy feel bad. I don't like it when society tries to level the playing field. Is a kid supposed to get a lower test score because he's throwing off the curve? Hell no! I think it should be the same with sports. Do your best, even if you hurt the other guy's feelings, but as Kandahar already pointed out, I'm obviously a competitive person...

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    I guess my problem with it in kids and youths as the poster was talking about is the fact that its a very, very, very thin line between show boating and "playing your best" against a weaker opponent.

    As you're older, its easier to understand the difference there. When you're younger though, its hard to grasp it.

    Not everyone is a Barry Sanders, who could break off a 80 yard run breaking 6 tackles only to reach the end zone for the 3rd time in the day and immedietely go hand the ball to the Ref and head back to the bench like it is no big deal.

    I think there is a lesson to be had with teaching kids a bit of humility, reservedness, and restraint when they're younger as those are what helps create an athlete that is not a show boater. Whose not going and putting on faux Hall of Fame Jersey's or throwing popcorn into their face.

    Telling your super star youth players to go out there against competition so far below them that its uncanny and telling them to go all out just kind of pushes the notion that humiliting and taking advantage of the opponent isn't just okay, its expected and good, and if that's okay then really what's wrong with taunting or smack talking an opponent when its basically doing the same?

    That'd be part of my issue with youth (again, with keeping starters in there and telling them to "go all out"). You talk about the "lessons" the other team needs to learn, but what lessons is that teaching to the plays that are doing the winning.

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's about learning the fundamentals of the game more than anything else.
    Sure, which is why it may be a better idea simply not to keep score at that level.
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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I guess my problem with it in kids and youths as the poster was talking about is the fact that its a very, very, very thin line between show boating and "playing your best" against a weaker opponent.

    As you're older, its easier to understand the difference there. When you're younger though, its hard to grasp it.

    Not everyone is a Barry Sanders, who could break off a 80 yard run breaking 6 tackles only to reach the end zone for the 3rd time in the day and immedietely go hand the ball to the Ref and head back to the bench like it is no big deal.

    I think there is a lesson to be had with teaching kids a bit of humility, reservedness, and restraint when they're younger as those are what helps create an athlete that is not a show boater. Whose not going and putting on faux Hall of Fame Jersey's or throwing popcorn into their face.

    Telling your super star youth players to go out there against competition so far below them that its uncanny and telling them to go all out just kind of pushes the notion that humiliting and taking advantage of the opponent isn't just okay, its expected and good, and if that's okay then really what's wrong with taunting or smack talking an opponent when its basically doing the same?

    That'd be part of my issue with youth (again, with keeping starters in there and telling them to "go all out"). You talk about the "lessons" the other team needs to learn, but what lessons is that teaching to the plays that are doing the winning.
    I think we more or less agree. It's just the thin line between doing your best and being a show-boating ass-head that clouds the issue.

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I think we more or less agree. It's just the thin line between doing your best and being a show-boating ass-head that clouds the issue.
    Things come up in other ways, too.

    There was another Serena episode from a year or two ago -- at Wimbledon, when she had a horrible cramp in her calf. Went on for a while; she could hardly move, but decided to keep playing, anyway.

    Her opponent (Hantuchova), seeing that she was hurt, took it easy on her, letting her back in the match, and paid the price -- Serena won.

    It's perfectly understandable why she'd take it easy, but in that situation, I think sportsmanship and professionalism demanded that she play her best game, if Serena wanted to continue.

    Different situation, of course, but still related.
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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Well, I agree with that. I never said you need to run crazy plays or go for the throat when you're up by fifty points. I'm just saying it's okay for a team to try their best, even if they're winning by a lot. Where that line is drawn...I guess that's subjective.
    I don't think it's subjective at all. These kids are playing a competitive sport. The rules of the sport say one side will win and the other side will lose, that's a foregone conclusion before the game starts. Unfortunately, you get these crazy liberals who don't want anyone to ever feel bad about themselves so they want one team to almost "throw the game" as it was, to protect the delicate, sensitive little feelings of these kids who signed up for the team to begin with.

    That's utterly stupid. Both teams ought to do their best from the second the game starts to the moment the final whistle is blown and whoever wins, wins and whoever loses, needs to improve their game. After all, that's why these games are played.

    Nothing subjective there at all.
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