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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    give obama a chance, we'll rename everything.

    kids involved in sports are there for many reasons, and as a multi-sport coach of younger kids, i can tell you that they already know their athletic skills for the most part. althletics for some kids is an outlet. they're not being paid, nor are they being considered for pro contracts.

    i've also found that the kids with parents who have the "win at all costs" attitude are the most miserable kids, for the most part.

    and KIDS don't typically want to embarrass other kids, it's the PARENTS who do. living vicariously, even through 12 year olds.

    One reason my girlfriends kiddo is playing soccer is to learn team work

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    kids involved in sports are there for many reasons, and as a multi-sport coach of younger kids, i can tell you that they already know their athletic skills for the most part.
    This is why so many pros are clueless about the fundamentals of the game. Missed tackles in football. The inability to play effective defense in basketball. The insane amount of strikeouts in baseball.

    There is no way a 12 year old has the fundamentals down pat. Just ain't happening. The most important thing any coach can teach a kid is methodology. The proper stance for hitting, the proper from for tackling. Teh way to shoot, etc.

    Athleticism alone is not what makes an effective player. It's th ehard work on the fundamentals that makes someone great.

    The primary thing any coach should be teaching a kid in youth sports is the athletic skills. Anything else is wasted effort. Life-lessons are for ather venues. Sports are for learning how to play sports.
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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    One reason my girlfriends kiddo is playing soccer is to learn team work
    Team work is one of those fundamental athletic skills.
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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Are you in favor of having 8 year olds learn all their tough life lessons at that age?

    Perhaps we should execute their pets to teach them that pets don't live forever.

    Perhaps they should find out about a friend or a parent being raped, they need to learn innocence doesn't live on forever.
    Perhaps you should refrain from engaging in hyperbole.

    Perhaps 4 year olds need to be told the horrible truth that there is no easter bunny or santa claus. Its good for them to learn the lesson not to believe in imaginary things.
    I agree with this. I, for one, won't be lying to my children when they ask me about the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause.

    At a young age the benefits that come from not having an extremely superior team (which happens purposefully in many locations as all the good rec players are grouped up onto one team with the rest generally being filtered off into the 2nd or 3rd one) completely and utterly humiliate you for 30 minutes by running up the score purposefully.

    Not to mention, as I said earlier, if your team is THAT superior you're still going to end up winning with your 2nd string in or you end up slaughter ruling them if there is one in your league. Either way, its still not like the losing team got off scot free or isn't going to learn that sometimes you just get beaten bad and there's nothing you can do about it. They're going to learn that lesson, still having their face introduced to the crap that comes with life. But at the same time they're not getting their nose shoved down into that crap by a foot to the back of the head while everyone is laughing and pointing at them, which is essentially what purposefully running up the score will do.

    And at an older age, like high school, purposefully running up the score is bad coaching and bad teaching. Its bad coaching to keep your starters out there when its not needed, not allowing your other guys to get experience and risking injury to your starters needlessly. Its bad teaching as it teaches the players bad habits as they start doing plays and actions that in a normal game you wouldn't do, not to mention inherently tactily teaches show boating as running up the score purposefully on a extremely weaker opponent is essentially just show boating.

    If you're in such a position that you're absolutely dominating the other team the lesson in regards to "sometimes life sucks" is going to be extremely apparent regardless of whether if you continue to purposefully run up the score. Trying to say its just teaching the other people a lesson is an attempt to rationalize the reason to be a show boating ass.
    So, the other team should stop trying to score? Maybe give them a pity point or two? That's insulting. There's nothing wrong with being competitive. I've had my butt kicked in many a sports event, I'm not traumatized...I just hate to lose.

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Team work is one of those fundamental athletic skills.
    And it comes in handy in other walks of life other than sports.

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And it comes in handy in other walks of life other than sports.
    True enough. But that's an aside. It's more important in life to know when to pass instead of shoot.
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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    This is why so many pros are clueless about the fundamentals of the game. Missed tackles in football. The inability to play effective defense in basketball. The insane amount of strikeouts in baseball.

    There is no way a 12 year old has the fundamentals down pat. Just ain't happening. The most important thing any coach can teach a kid is methodology. The proper stance for hitting, the proper from for tackling. Teh way to shoot, etc.

    Athleticism alone is not what makes an effective player. It's th ehard work on the fundamentals that makes someone great.

    The primary thing any coach should be teaching a kid in youth sports is the athletic skills. Anything else is wasted effort. Life-lessons are for ather venues. Sports are for learning how to play sports.
    i think you missed my point. of course raw athleticism isn't everything.

    larry bird knew that.

    if, however, your less skilled players are sitting the bench because YOU want to run up the score, how are those kids learning ANYTHING? in that case, even if you win every game you coach, you're a failure.

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    One reason my girlfriends kiddo is playing soccer is to learn team work
    good, and that's a great lesson to be learned. he/she won't learn it sitting on the bench, however.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    good, and that's a great lesson to be learned. he/she won't learn it sitting on the bench, however.
    In this soccer league everyone gets to play.

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    if, however, your less skilled players are sitting the bench because YOU want to run up the score, how are those kids learning ANYTHING? in that case, even if you win every game you coach, you're a failure.
    Well, I agree with that. But winning is still important. So is losing. Kids need to learn how to deal with both.

    And they also need to learn that winning is better than losing, but if you give it your all and still lose, it's much better than losing without putting in a full effort.

    Editted to add: And, yes, I'm aware that this somewhat contradicts my previous statement about "competitive sports". This is because that was mostly a joke.
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