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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    touched a raw nerve?
    not at all

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    It depends on what you mean by intentionally running up the score. Participants on the field should always play their best, but once the score reaches a certain point there are certain things that are no longer considered good sportsmanship.

    In football, calling deep bomb plays when the game is already locked up is poor sportsmanship. In baseball, stealing bases with a lead greater than five is considered poor sportsmanship. Generally in blowouts, coaches should give their bench players a chance to play. These are generally calls that should be made by the coach, not the player. Players should always give their best. The one thing that players can be held accountable is for needlessly showboating in blowouts.

    In my softball league, there used to be a guy who pitched for another team. He was notorious for showboating in blowouts. He'd pitch from behind his back and all sorts of other obnoxious things. He did that to my team once. Then our best player blasted a line drive right back up the middle that narrowly missed him and told him the next one wouldn't miss. He never did that again to our team.
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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    not at all

    my observations after a quarter century as a profession sports official
    Should I be impressed? I would think your union should align with the Deaf and Blind coalition, with the way you call plays.


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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Should I be impressed? I would think your union should align with the Deaf and Blind coalition, with the way you call plays.
    so, it seems it was you that had the exposed raw nerve

    still waiting to hear what the oxy stand for

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Perhaps you should have quit, since you dont understand basica concepts of competition.
    Nah I liked playing baseball and soccer as a kid. But I would've liked them a lot less if you were my coach.
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    Re: Sportsmanship

    First, it would depend on the age of the kids. 7 and 8 year olds to me is different than high schoolers. I have no issue with "Mercy Rule" type situations for young kids. They're in a developmental stage. Yes, you want them to realize sometimes you can lose, and lose bad, and have to pick yourself up. However rarely do I see Mercy Rules where if you're losing by 2 its over. By the time it gets up by 10 runs, or 50 points, or something like that, you've learned that lesson already. Letting it go on the full game just increases the likihood that the kid may get completely discouraged and leave the sport earlier than is good for them.

    However, high schoolers, I don't agree with a Mercy Rule notion and feel differently about it.

    I think its bad sportsmanship to intentionally "run up the score". By that I mean....

    In Football. If you're up by 40 at the half and its clear you're better than this team and you keep your 1st team in, you're throwing bombs on 1st and 2nd down, you're doing trick plays, you fake a punts, you fake a spike and instead throw a touchdown as times drindling, etc....yeah, that's poor sportsmanship. That's nothing but showboating.

    If you however put your 2nd team in and run the game like usual, or even just run it a bit more conservatively, but are still putting up points I don't have any issues with that.

    Basically, I'm not expecting you to go out there and take a knee every single down of every play for the rest of the game. That is honestly more of an insult to the other team than going all out. I'm just saying on the flip side don't treat it like its a 7 point game with the season on the line and you have to pull out all the stops.

    Same kind of thing with basketball. Don't keep all your starters and your star player in there. Take some two's instead of three's if you can. Don't drive into the paint over and over again when you know you can do it at will. But don't just throw the ball to them and go "here score" each time.

    If it starts becoming a closer game, then sure, ramp it up like you know you can and take the game back. But most likely if you're first team is that heads and shoulders ahead of them you're second team isn't going to be completely skunking it up.

    So essentially, with youth, I think a slaughter rule is a good thing. For high schoolers I think its poor sportsmanship to purposefully and intentionally try to run up the score, but don't have an issue with them playing the game conservatively and still scoring points.

    This actually reminds me of a HS football game I heard about sometime last year I think where a team won 90 to something. It seemed really bad at first, but the coach has his 2nd string in and was doing nothing but running it up the gut every single down, and was still punting and field goal kicking as you normally would. So he wasn't TRYING to run it up but at the same time wasn't having his kids take knee's the whole time. I have nothing against that and think that's good sportsmanship, both towards your team and towards the opponents.

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Because of someting that happend over the weekend...

    Assume that a youth sports team so completely outclasses its opposet that it can score at will, and while doing so, completely shut its opponent out..

    Is it good or poor sportsmanship for the superior team to hold back and not run up the score?

    Please 'splain your answer.
    I think it's a rather confusing message to our youth to say "When you're trying hard to be your best, could you be a little less".

    So no, it's not bad sportsmanship to score when you can and play your best game, even if the other team is playing their worst.

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    I think jall makes a good point here.

    I don't think its bad sportsmanship for the PLAYERS to try and do their best in general. I don't want them to be show boating, or doing stuff they'd normally never do when legitimately playing (non-stop alley oops in basketball) because its so easy, or doing other forms of bad sportsmanship. But if they're in there I want them still playing hard.

    I think this is a thing that falls much more on a coach generally. You don't keep your best players in against a team you're absolutely obliterating half way through the game, you use that as a chance to get your other players a chance. You don't call bombs or devise trick plays or take advantage of the notion that you know a team is so weak they can't defend against "X" so even though you normally would never called 10 of "X" in a row you're going to do it now.

    Its more of a coach thing then a player thing...in part because most individual sports have a pretty set beginning and end that isn't often based on time as much as it is points (kind of like Tenis, or track, where the sooner you win the sooner its over anyways).

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    First, it would depend on the age of the kids. 7 and 8 year olds to me is different than high schoolers. I have no issue with "Mercy Rule" type situations for young kids. They're in a developmental stage. Yes, you want them to realize sometimes you can lose, and lose bad, and have to pick yourself up. However rarely do I see Mercy Rules where if you're losing by 2 its over. By the time it gets up by 10 runs, or 50 points, or something like that, you've learned that lesson already. Letting it go on the full game just increases the likihood that the kid may get completely discouraged and leave the sport earlier than is good for them.
    A mercy rule is a different thing, though. It just stops the game. This is about continuing the game and purposely holding back for the remainder of the game.
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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I missvoted. Intentionally running up the score in a youth league is just being dicks. By the time you are in college, it's not such a big deal, but for kids, it serves no purpose, and just kills the fun the other team might have.
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