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Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

  • Yes

    Votes: 31 52.5%
  • No

    Votes: 28 47.5%

  • Total voters
    59
Do me a favor & write to your elected reps with the specifics of your ideas on sealing the borders ...I'd love to see it.


My state actually has no problem dealing with illegals Look up HB 1804 or the Oklahoma tax payer protection act.

(& then compare the costs to President's HC plan.)

HIs plan is irrelevant to this discussion. The only thing his plan would prove is that if you got money to throw on one thing then you certainly have money for useful things like adequately securing the border.
 
OK....Give it another shot then:
Please give us a realistic/affordable method for sealing all our borders???

Please be specific:
How many men will it take? (working in 8 hr shifts)
How much money will it cost?
How high do we build the fence?
How do we fence off the Atlantic & Pacific oceans?

1. Give the illegal aliens 2 weeks to leave. (advertise this on all radio, TV, and newspapers)

2. After the 2 weeks expire, arrest any illegal found and give them 5 years at hard labor. (picking fruit or whatever)

3. get e-verify up and running.

4. Fine any business $10,000.00 per head for any illegal hired.

5. Build a double fence at both borders with intruder sensors and guard towers.

6. Patrol coastal waters out 20 miles, board all suspicious vessels.

That should be a fair start.
 
Seal? No. Control the influx of illegals a lot better than we have been doing? Hell yes. When you have cities like San Francisco that are harboring illegals and thumbing their nose at federal immigration guidelines, you're not going to get far though. Gavin Newsom should have ended up in prison for aiding and abetting criminals.
 
1. Give the illegal aliens 2 weeks to leave. (advertise this on all radio, TV, and newspapers)

2. After the 2 weeks expire, arrest any illegal found and give them 5 years at hard labor. (picking fruit or whatever)

3. get e-verify up and running.

4. Fine any business $10,000.00 per head for any illegal hired.

5. Build a double fence at both borders with intruder sensors and guard towers.

6. Patrol coastal waters out 20 miles, board all suspicious vessels.

That should be a fair start.

That would work too, although there are some points you missed or need expanded on.

Insert between #1 and #2, all welfare and other tax-funded aid goes only to legal residents and citizens. If you cannot provide proof that you are a legal resident or citizen, you cannot get a penny out of the government. Emergency medical services are excluded, people are taken care of, stabilized and then taken directly into custody for immediate deportation. Any city or state that refuses to take part is immediately excluded from any federal funding of any kind.

Add to #2, once said sentence is done, they are to be immediately deported, do not pass Go, do not collect $200. This is not a path to amnesty, it's a punishment for breaking the law.

Add to #4, establish a federal enforcement squad, like the FDA, which goes around at random intervals and checks the employment records at least annually for every business in the country. This will be paid for by the fines levied against those hiring illegals. If the fire department can do it for fire code violations and the health department can do it for health code violations, certainly the immigration service can do it for hiring violations.

Of course, America doesn't have the balls to do any of that, that's why we're in such sad shape.
 
1. Give the illegal aliens 2 weeks to leave. (advertise this on all radio, TV, and newspapers)

2. After the 2 weeks expire, arrest any illegal found and give them 5 years at hard labor. (picking fruit or whatever)
1.How many police will it take to do that?
2. When we give them.... " 5 years at hard labor. (picking fruit or whatever)"....Won't that mean we have to feed, cloth, house & take care of their health care while they live off us taxpayers....In this country??.....Isn't that kinda the point/problem???
( & how many fruit pickers do we put on welfare since they'll be out of a job?)



5. Build a double fence at both borders with intruder sensors and guard towers.
How much does that cost & who pays for it?..Who mans the guard towers?

6. Patrol coastal waters out 20 miles, board all suspicious vessels.
How much does that cost & who pays for it?..Who mans the patrol boats?
(ever see how many boats there are to be boarded every day?...Thousands in every harbor in this country!
 
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1. Give the illegal aliens 2 weeks to leave. (advertise this on all radio, TV, and newspapers)

2. After the 2 weeks expire, arrest any illegal found and give them 5 years at hard labor. (picking fruit or whatever)

3. get e-verify up and running.

4. Fine any business $10,000.00 per head for any illegal hired.

5. Build a double fence at both borders with intruder sensors and guard towers.

6. Patrol coastal waters out 20 miles, board all suspicious vessels.

That should be a fair start.


For #4 I think this should be $20,000.00 per head. Also use the same assets forfeiture laws that apply to other criminals who profit and or use money for illegal activities apply to those who hire illegals. This would remove any incentive for someone to hire an illegal.



These are my solutions for discouraging illegal immigration-


1.Secure the borders

2.Militarize the borders

3.Deny tax payer funded services to illegals.Not only does this include welfare,foodstamps this also includes applying for a ID,driver's license,ID, food permit and etc.(Oklahoma has already done this.)

4.Require hospitals to notify authorities of illegals.

5.Since banks can do credit checks and all sorts of other credit checks then they can check for legal status and deny and services to illegals.

6.Require money wiring services to check for immigration status before wiring any money.

7.Since real estate agents,property owners and car dealerships can do credit checks and all sorts of other checks then require those car dealerships,landlords and real estate agents to verify legal status of applicant and ban illegals from purchasing or renting any property and cars.

8.Require schools to verify that the parents are legal residents.

9.Use assets and forfeiture laws that apply to drug dealers and others who profit from illegal activities and apply those laws to those who hire illegals since those who hire illegals profit from illegal activities or use their money for illegal activities.

10.Throw those who hire illegals into prison,after fining them and seizing assets .

11.Revoke the part in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children.

12.Push for an amendment to ban citizenship to children born here to non-citizens and require that at least the mother be a citizen or a father with a DNA test to grant birthright citizenship.

13.Raid day labor sites. Send uncover ICE agents to pose as illegals looking for work and arrest,jail,and fine those who hire illegals. Send undercover agents to pose as scumbags looking to hire illegals.

14.Permanently ban anyone from owning or running a company who previously was caught hiring illegals,selling real estate or cars to illegals or provided money wiring services to illegals.

15.Making harboring and transporting illegals a felony and throw that individual in prison.

16.Any illegal who is caught the first time gets sent to 6 months in jail or six months added to their prison sentence if they are arrested for a crime other than illegal immigration.

17.Any illegal who caught shall have dna samples,photo and finger prints taken and stored in a data base use to permanently deny that individual entry into this country.

18.Require that the immigration status of anyone arrested be verified(this has already been done in Oklahoma).

19.Require contractors verify the legal status of their employees and anyone they subcontract to.

20.Temporarily citizens of countries we have the most illegal immigration problems with entry into this country.Once it has been determined that a huge significant portion of illegals of those countries have been deported(after serving their sentences) back to their countries then we can resume letting in citizens of those countries after passing thorough background check.
 
It can be done. The Chinese have already proven that:

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It can be done. The Chinese have already proven that:

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Its still standing and if there soldiers on that wall no one would be able to climb over. Any wall can be climbed over if no one is around to prevent someone from climbing it.
 
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dont be so naive. when there is a wil there is a way.

we can put them in prison for a week. not give them anything except water that week and then send them back.

they won't die of starvation in a week but they will get the no free lunch message.

when they come back next month put them in prison for 2 weeks ... without food.

then send them back.

see if they will come back the third time :rofl
 
dont be so naive. when there is a wil there is a way.

we can put them in prison for a week. not give them anything except water that week and then send them back.

they won't die of starvation in a week but they will get the no free lunch message.

when they come back next month put them in prison for 2 weeks ... without food.

then send them back.

see if they will come back the third time :rofl

That still sounds better then Mexico.:2razz:
 
I think Canada, Mexico and USA should Unite and stop the failure borders.

the country do unite. the NORAD accord in 2008 and CMP accord iin 2004.
 
Well based on my calculations if you place a soldier every 1/4 mile, 6000 would be enough. Then you need to have shifts, and support personal, and Officers and detention facilities with guards. I think it could be done with 30000 overall perhaps a bit more. I could be wrong in my math though. Plus if you add Helicopters and Unmanned drones and other detection equipment that number could be reduced.

it will cost much less when the soldier shoot them.
 
Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders yes take over Mexico that would solve the problems,they give u fellas to much probs,so f-ck them,Canada is ok most of them are Brits apart from the frogs,just stick them in the net and feed them



for Dinner.

mikeey
 
No, and it's a purposeless point of focus that functions as a red herring. What's not focused on are the more pertinent issues of the role in trade liberalization in displacing Mexican agricultural workers or why the U.S. has such a demand for low-skilled workers to begin with.
 
No one wants to seal the borders, they want to control them.

And that's just it. The whole opening post was a dishonest misrepresentation of what was being said in another thread about how to control the border.

I proposed that a first offense of illegal entry into the country be met with deportation back to the country of origin. Subsequent offenses to be met with a 5 year labor sentence building a wall of monumental proportions that would rival the Great Wall as a world wonder. I also insisted that there be immigration stations built into the wall that would give access to legal immigration.

The OP exhibits that he missed the point just with the post he made. The point of the wall isn't to hermetically seal the border or make it less than porous for travel purposes. The purpose is to make a bold statement that crossing this border illegally will lead to you helping to make the border harder to cross when we drop you on the other side again minus 5 years of your life. The purpose of building the immigration stations into the wall are to offer no excuse for not doing things legally and to make certain that they know they are welcome to enter but do so with respect for our laws.

In the end, they get more access to legal means of entry and we get a world wonder built on the backs of those trying to disrespect our laws and enter by illegal means.
 
No one is seriously advocating sealing all U.S. borders, so the question is setting up a non existant strawman. If rephrase the question to deal with the debate people are having in the real world to something like "Can we significantly improve our efforts to control our borders and control the flow of illegal immigrants?" then the answer is a resounding yes. My plan is pretty similar to others, but I'll spell it out ...

1. Eliminate all government services and aid for illegal immigrants. The two possible exceptions I could see is allowing them to report a crime without fear of being rounded up by the police and allowing life saving medical treatment, but they would be deported once stablized. With no welfare, foodstamps, education, healthcare, ect available, the US is a lot less attractive to illegal immigrants.

2. Local police should be required to detain illegals caught in any sort of criminal activity. No more illegal immigrants with rap sheets longer than my right arm.

2. Impose harsh fines and penalties for companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants. I could go along with asset siezure as a penalty here. With no government services and no jobs, why the heck would they want to come here?

3. Increase border patrols and enforcement. I'm not necessarily advocating building a fence, though I'm not opposed to it. Whatever is the best combination of cost effectiveness and efficiency.

I'd also be willing to re-examine the anchor baby

In exchange for implementing some version of this plan, I'd go along with a pathway for citizenship for folks already here, as long as it including paying a fine and going to the back of the line. I wouldn't ask them to return to their country of origin, as that's just asking for them to ignore the program entirely.

My plan removes incentives for coming here and steps up enforcement to make it more difficult. Will it completely stop illegal immigration? No, but no laws completely eliminate the things they prohibit. But I firmly believe it would noticeably if not dramatically decrease illegal immigration from the levels it is at now.
 
That ten voted "yes".
Sab
I voted yes, as a joke.
Of course its possible.
Build a wall 50 feet thick, 200 feet high, completely around our entire nation and *d a m n* the expense. Ingore the Chinese, the Russian, the French, and other failures...
 
No one is seriously advocating sealing all U.S. borders, so the question is setting up a non existant strawman. If rephrase the question to deal with the debate people are having in the real world to something like "Can we significantly improve our efforts to control our borders and control the flow of illegal immigrants?" then the answer is a resounding yes. My plan is pretty similar to others, but I'll spell it out ...

1. Eliminate all government services and aid for illegal immigrants. The two possible exceptions I could see is allowing them to report a crime without fear of being rounded up by the police and allowing life saving medical treatment, but they would be deported once stablized. With no welfare, foodstamps, education, healthcare, ect available, the US is a lot less attractive to illegal immigrants.

2. Local police should be required to detain illegals caught in any sort of criminal activity. No more illegal immigrants with rap sheets longer than my right arm.

2. Impose harsh fines and penalties for companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants. I could go along with asset siezure as a penalty here. With no government services and no jobs, why the heck would they want to come here?

3. Increase border patrols and enforcement. I'm not necessarily advocating building a fence, though I'm not opposed to it. Whatever is the best combination of cost effectiveness and efficiency.

I'd also be willing to re-examine the anchor baby

In exchange for implementing some version of this plan, I'd go along with a pathway for citizenship for folks already here, as long as it including paying a fine and going to the back of the line. I wouldn't ask them to return to their country of origin, as that's just asking for them to ignore the program entirely.

My plan removes incentives for coming here and steps up enforcement to make it more difficult. Will it completely stop illegal immigration? No, but no laws completely eliminate the things they prohibit. But I firmly believe it would noticeably if not dramatically decrease illegal immigration from the levels it is at now.

I can agree with those ideas! (the idea of seriously trying to seal off our borders is ridiculous)
 
Sure it is possible to seal our borders.. we can just disperse our nuclear waste along its length.

ohh wait.. they might be able to get radiation suits, or just simply dig under it.
 
If there are any mathematicians in the group, maybe they could calculate something for us:

Divide the above stated border length by the population of this country & then figure how far apart they would have to stand to watch the entire border, we could get an idea of how well such a plan would work. (of course, to be realistic......you would have to divide the population # by 1/3 to allow for only 8 hour working shifts)

U.S. pop/three 102,474,081
U.S./Mex border 124,755,840 inches (1969 mi)

they would have to stand 1.2 inches apart

ugh that's not close enough!!1
 
U.S. pop/three 102,474,081
U.S./Mex border 124,755,840 inches (1969 mi)

they would have to stand 1.2 inches apart

ugh that's not close enough!!1

What a great idea!!! Mass the entire population of the U.S. (men, women & children ) along the Mexican border, (in 8 hr shifts) & have them face Mexico.

A few problems I foresee:

1. Who works at making food, driving trucks, works in hospitals, goes to school.......... or doing anything else while we all stand on the border?
2. Suppose the Mexicans are smart enough to get into a boat & land at a beach somewhere? (there's no one left to stop them??)
3. We no longer will have any armed forces (as we're all standing on the Mexican border...facing out) so Al Quieda can just drive across any Canadian border crossing & take over Washington DC

Those are just a few minor details but....I think your plan has real merit!!:lol::lol:
 
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What a great idea!!! Mass the entire population of the U.S. (men, women & children ) along the Mexican border, (in 8 hr shifts) & have them face Mexico.

A few problems I foresee:

1. Who works at making food, driving trucks, works in hospitals, goes to school.......... or doing anything else while we all stand on the border?
2. Suppose the Mexicans are smart enough to get into a boat? (there's no one left to stop them??)
3. We no longer will have any armed forces (as we're all standing on the Mexican border...facing out) so Al Quieda can just drive across any Canadian border crossing & take over Washington DC

Those are just a few minor details but....I think your plan has real merit!!:lol::lol:
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dude this was your plan, not mine. you just saved me the trouble of making it look stupid.
 
dude this was your plan, not mine. you just saved me the trouble of making it look stupid.

Hmmm....I thought I was the one saying sealing the borders would be impossible??

That wasn't me...Dude??:confused::confused:
 
Hmmm....I thought I was the one saying sealing the borders would be impossible??

That wasn't me...Dude??:confused::confused:

I did the math exactly as you asked. no originality whatsoever. my ideas are better than this, that's how you know it wasn't mine.
 
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