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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Do me a favor & write to your elected reps with the specifics of your ideas on sealing the borders ...I'd love to see it.

    My state actually has no problem dealing with illegals Look up HB 1804 or the Oklahoma tax payer protection act.

    (& then compare the costs to President's HC plan.)
    HIs plan is irrelevant to this discussion. The only thing his plan would prove is that if you got money to throw on one thing then you certainly have money for useful things like adequately securing the border.
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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    OK....Give it another shot then:
    Please give us a realistic/affordable method for sealing all our borders???

    Please be specific:
    How many men will it take? (working in 8 hr shifts)
    How much money will it cost?
    How high do we build the fence?
    How do we fence off the Atlantic & Pacific oceans?
    1. Give the illegal aliens 2 weeks to leave. (advertise this on all radio, TV, and newspapers)

    2. After the 2 weeks expire, arrest any illegal found and give them 5 years at hard labor. (picking fruit or whatever)

    3. get e-verify up and running.

    4. Fine any business $10,000.00 per head for any illegal hired.

    5. Build a double fence at both borders with intruder sensors and guard towers.

    6. Patrol coastal waters out 20 miles, board all suspicious vessels.

    That should be a fair start.

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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Seal? No. Control the influx of illegals a lot better than we have been doing? Hell yes. When you have cities like San Francisco that are harboring illegals and thumbing their nose at federal immigration guidelines, you're not going to get far though. Gavin Newsom should have ended up in prison for aiding and abetting criminals.
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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    1. Give the illegal aliens 2 weeks to leave. (advertise this on all radio, TV, and newspapers)

    2. After the 2 weeks expire, arrest any illegal found and give them 5 years at hard labor. (picking fruit or whatever)

    3. get e-verify up and running.

    4. Fine any business $10,000.00 per head for any illegal hired.

    5. Build a double fence at both borders with intruder sensors and guard towers.

    6. Patrol coastal waters out 20 miles, board all suspicious vessels.

    That should be a fair start.
    That would work too, although there are some points you missed or need expanded on.

    Insert between #1 and #2, all welfare and other tax-funded aid goes only to legal residents and citizens. If you cannot provide proof that you are a legal resident or citizen, you cannot get a penny out of the government. Emergency medical services are excluded, people are taken care of, stabilized and then taken directly into custody for immediate deportation. Any city or state that refuses to take part is immediately excluded from any federal funding of any kind.

    Add to #2, once said sentence is done, they are to be immediately deported, do not pass Go, do not collect $200. This is not a path to amnesty, it's a punishment for breaking the law.

    Add to #4, establish a federal enforcement squad, like the FDA, which goes around at random intervals and checks the employment records at least annually for every business in the country. This will be paid for by the fines levied against those hiring illegals. If the fire department can do it for fire code violations and the health department can do it for health code violations, certainly the immigration service can do it for hiring violations.

    Of course, America doesn't have the balls to do any of that, that's why we're in such sad shape.
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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    1. Give the illegal aliens 2 weeks to leave. (advertise this on all radio, TV, and newspapers)

    2. After the 2 weeks expire, arrest any illegal found and give them 5 years at hard labor. (picking fruit or whatever)
    1.How many police will it take to do that?
    2. When we give them.... " 5 years at hard labor. (picking fruit or whatever)"....Won't that mean we have to feed, cloth, house & take care of their health care while they live off us taxpayers....In this country??.....Isn't that kinda the point/problem???
    ( & how many fruit pickers do we put on welfare since they'll be out of a job?)



    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    5. Build a double fence at both borders with intruder sensors and guard towers.
    How much does that cost & who pays for it?..Who mans the guard towers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    6. Patrol coastal waters out 20 miles, board all suspicious vessels.
    How much does that cost & who pays for it?..Who mans the patrol boats?
    (ever see how many boats there are to be boarded every day?...Thousands in every harbor in this country!
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-11-09 at 01:46 PM.

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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    1. Give the illegal aliens 2 weeks to leave. (advertise this on all radio, TV, and newspapers)

    2. After the 2 weeks expire, arrest any illegal found and give them 5 years at hard labor. (picking fruit or whatever)

    3. get e-verify up and running.

    4. Fine any business $10,000.00 per head for any illegal hired.

    5. Build a double fence at both borders with intruder sensors and guard towers.

    6. Patrol coastal waters out 20 miles, board all suspicious vessels.

    That should be a fair start.

    For #4 I think this should be $20,000.00 per head. Also use the same assets forfeiture laws that apply to other criminals who profit and or use money for illegal activities apply to those who hire illegals. This would remove any incentive for someone to hire an illegal.



    These are my solutions for discouraging illegal immigration-


    1.Secure the borders

    2.Militarize the borders

    3.Deny tax payer funded services to illegals.Not only does this include welfare,foodstamps this also includes applying for a ID,driver's license,ID, food permit and etc.(Oklahoma has already done this.)

    4.Require hospitals to notify authorities of illegals.

    5.Since banks can do credit checks and all sorts of other credit checks then they can check for legal status and deny and services to illegals.

    6.Require money wiring services to check for immigration status before wiring any money.

    7.Since real estate agents,property owners and car dealerships can do credit checks and all sorts of other checks then require those car dealerships,landlords and real estate agents to verify legal status of applicant and ban illegals from purchasing or renting any property and cars.

    8.Require schools to verify that the parents are legal residents.

    9.Use assets and forfeiture laws that apply to drug dealers and others who profit from illegal activities and apply those laws to those who hire illegals since those who hire illegals profit from illegal activities or use their money for illegal activities.

    10.Throw those who hire illegals into prison,after fining them and seizing assets .

    11.Revoke the part in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children.

    12.Push for an amendment to ban citizenship to children born here to non-citizens and require that at least the mother be a citizen or a father with a DNA test to grant birthright citizenship.

    13.Raid day labor sites. Send uncover ICE agents to pose as illegals looking for work and arrest,jail,and fine those who hire illegals. Send undercover agents to pose as scumbags looking to hire illegals.

    14.Permanently ban anyone from owning or running a company who previously was caught hiring illegals,selling real estate or cars to illegals or provided money wiring services to illegals.

    15.Making harboring and transporting illegals a felony and throw that individual in prison.

    16.Any illegal who is caught the first time gets sent to 6 months in jail or six months added to their prison sentence if they are arrested for a crime other than illegal immigration.

    17.Any illegal who caught shall have dna samples,photo and finger prints taken and stored in a data base use to permanently deny that individual entry into this country.

    18.Require that the immigration status of anyone arrested be verified(this has already been done in Oklahoma).

    19.Require contractors verify the legal status of their employees and anyone they subcontract to.

    20.Temporarily citizens of countries we have the most illegal immigration problems with entry into this country.Once it has been determined that a huge significant portion of illegals of those countries have been deported(after serving their sentences) back to their countries then we can resume letting in citizens of those countries after passing thorough background check.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    It can be done. The Chinese have already proven that:


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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It can be done. The Chinese have already proven that:

    Its still standing and if there soldiers on that wall no one would be able to climb over. Any wall can be climbed over if no one is around to prevent someone from climbing it.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 09-11-09 at 03:55 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    dont be so naive. when there is a wil there is a way.

    we can put them in prison for a week. not give them anything except water that week and then send them back.

    they won't die of starvation in a week but they will get the no free lunch message.

    when they come back next month put them in prison for 2 weeks ... without food.

    then send them back.

    see if they will come back the third time

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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    dont be so naive. when there is a wil there is a way.

    we can put them in prison for a week. not give them anything except water that week and then send them back.

    they won't die of starvation in a week but they will get the no free lunch message.

    when they come back next month put them in prison for 2 weeks ... without food.

    then send them back.

    see if they will come back the third time
    That still sounds better then Mexico.


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