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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is not a problem. Border guards make around 40-80 thousand a year depending on years of service, soldier starting out as E-1 $16,794.00 - O-10 $176,256 a year.
    .....Point???

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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    No, the military can only defend from Armies, not from a dozen folks on a huge border.

    The border's total length is 3,169 km (1,969 miles),

    The region along the boundary is characterized by deserts, rugged mountains, abundant sunshine, and two major rivers — the Colorado and the Rio Grande (Río Bravo del Norte) —

    To enforce a full closure of the border would require around 30000 Militart personal, including Helicopters, Humvees, Unmanned drones etc etc. The cost of this would be large and this would have to continue forever. Thus the cost would increase annually.


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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?


    To enforce a full closure of the border would require around 30000 Militart personal, including Helicopters, Humvees, Unmanned drones etc etc. The cost of this would be large and this would have to continue forever. Thus the cost would increase annually.
    Just increase taxes.
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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    You would be happy with a Berlin-style wall across the entire US-Mexico border?
    Yes. There is a difference between trying prevent legal citizens from leaving and keeping out trespassers.
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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post

    To enforce a full closure of the border would require around 30000 Militart personal,
    I agree with you sentiments but think you fall far short of the personnel that would actually be required. (To be honest, I don't think that if we deputized every man, woman & child in this country.......stood them at the borders...facing out......Never let them sleep...eat or goto the bathroom.......That we would have even 1/2 of the personnel necessary.
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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I agree with you sentiments but think you fall far short of the personnel that would actually be required. (To be honest, I don't think that if we deputized every man, woman & child in this country.......stood them at the borders...facing out......That we would have 1/2 of the personnel necessary.
    Well based on my calculations if you place a soldier every 1/4 mile, 6000 would be enough. Then you need to have shifts, and support personal, and Officers and detention facilities with guards. I think it could be done with 30000 overall perhaps a bit more. I could be wrong in my math though. Plus if you add Helicopters and Unmanned drones and other detection equipment that number could be reduced.


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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    I think Canada, Mexico and USA should Unite and stop the failure borders.

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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    The border's total length is 3,169 km (1,969 miles),

    If there are any mathematicians in the group, maybe they could calculate something for us:

    Divide the above stated border length by the population of this country & then figure how far apart they would have to stand to watch the entire border, we could get an idea of how well such a plan would work. (of course, to be realistic......you would have to divide the population # by 1/3 to allow for only 8 hour working shifts)

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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    .....Point???
    Hiring the required personal would not be that costly.$400,000,000 a year for 10,000 border guards, $800,000,000 a year for 20,000 border guards, $1,600,000,000 a year for 40,000 border guards thats 20 people for every mile on the southern border. Using soldiers would be cheaper. California spends roughly around 4-5 billion on state services for illegals.
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    Re: Is It Possible To Seal Our Borders?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Well based on my calculations if you place a soldier every 1/4 mile, 6000 would be enough. Then you need to have shifts, and support personal, and Officers and detention facilities with guards. I think it could be done with 30000 overall perhaps a bit more. I could be wrong in my math though. Plus if you add Helicopters and Unmanned drones and other detection equipment that number could be reduced.
    Let's assume your figures are correct. If any illegals slip into the country, we would then need a separate police force to deal with them inland. Since 1878, the Posse Comitatus Act has prohibited ...."federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act during peacetime."
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act]Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    So now we need a separate...HUGE police force to deal with the illegals we don't stop at the border!

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