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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We created the oppurtunity to draw 40 thousand jihadists into the open so we could kill them and we're in a very strategically advantagous position in the ME.
    We probably created most of those "Jihadists" by going into Iraq. I mean if another nation set up an occupying force in America, planting their own government to run us and have their troops patrol our streets at night, enforcing curfews, etc, plenty of us would take up arms and fight back. Believing that this would not hold true for another country is just arrogant. Most of those 40,000 "Jihadists" would have gone about their daily lives without even thinking about harming Americans if we had not invaded their country.

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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We're not in Sudan.
    OK, but Iraq exports 6 times more oil than the Sudan does. Besides, I'm not saying that we invade every single country that has oil...I'm just saying that everything else being equal, we are much more likely to go to war with a country that has oil than a country that doesn't.

    I think it's too strong to say that we're in Iraq BECAUSE of oil, but I also think it's naive to say that our presence there has nothing to do with oil whatsoever.
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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's a very noble and very mealy mouthed sentiment but out of the commune and back in the real world, diplomacy and influence often come from the end of a gun barrel.
    I don't think that is necessarily true anymore. Avoiding war at all costs is the most sensible, pragmatic, and life respecting choice you can take. If you need to go to war, get drug into it kicking and screaming and fight and claw your way out ASAP. Prolonged war helps no one, it accomplishes nothing other than killing a bunch of humans. And war cannot be first response, it must be the absolute last response.
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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Avoiding war at all costs will undoubtabley lead to war. We kicked the British out after a Super power helped us, if it wasnt for some luck at Trenton and Princeton and the help of the French we would have been united with Canada till today.
    Yes, we had help from our friends. But to fight a long way from home, and occupying war is very demoralizing and we knew how to use it against the aggressor. So too does the population of Iraq. We can't be there forever, and if we are it's our own doom we spell. They know it.
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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think that is necessarily true anymore. Avoiding war at all costs is the most sensible, pragmatic, and life respecting choice you can take. If you need to go to war, get drug into it kicking and screaming and fight and claw your way out ASAP. Prolonged war helps no one, it accomplishes nothing other than killing a bunch of humans. And war cannot be first response, it must be the absolute last response.
    I agree with you on principle and I do think that violence becomes a cyclical problem on a global scale, and moreso when it comes to the middle east. However, I also understand that on the global board, there are a lot of pieces in play and that sometimes, the way to avoid more massive and cataclysmic conflict years down the line is to suffer the pain of sacrificing pieces today.

    I definitely don't advocate going to war as a first choice but I also don't think we should shirk away from it when it is the most expedient, efficient, and likely to succeed just for the sake of lofty notions of being above the savagery that is our instinct anyways.

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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    We probably created most of those "Jihadists" by going into Iraq. I mean if another nation set up an occupying force in America, planting their own government to run us and have their troops patrol our streets at night, enforcing curfews, etc, plenty of us would take up arms and fight back. Believing that this would not hold true for another country is just arrogant. Most of those 40,000 "Jihadists" would have gone about their daily lives without even thinking about harming Americans if we had not invaded their country.
    We didn't force them become jihadists. They made that decision on their own. They made a concious decision to go to Iraq and kill American soldiers and Iraqi women and children.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK, but Iraq exports 6 times more oil than the Sudan does. Besides, I'm not saying that we invade every single country that has oil...I'm just saying that everything else being equal, we are much more likely to go to war with a country that has oil than a country that doesn't.

    I think it's too strong to say that we're in Iraq BECAUSE of oil, but I also think it's naive to say that our presence there has nothing to do with oil whatsoever.

    There aren't many countries that don't have oil. Statistically speaking, we invaded them all for the oil.
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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nor are we anywhere near Africa which has way worse problems, more diabolical war lords, more suffering than Iraq did...but we're keeping our distance from that hellhole.
    That's right and there are billions of barrels of oil in Africa, so the whole, "it's all about the oil", notion is flawed.
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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There aren't many countries that don't have oil. Statistically speaking, we invaded them all for the oil.
    OK, let me rephrase: We're much more likely to invade a country with a significant amount of oil than a country with very little oil.
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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Doesn't seem to be very advantageous to be a foreign occupying force in a well entrenched and supported populace being shot at consistently and adding to the fire of hatred and aggression towards ourselves. Seems actually counter productive.
    Things are getting quieter by the day. They were, anyway, before we decided to leave prematurely.
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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, we had help from our friends. But to fight a long way from home, and occupying war is very demoralizing and we knew how to use it against the aggressor. So too does the population of Iraq. We can't be there forever, and if we are it's our own doom we spell. They know it.
    As with any nation there are those that oppose us, and those that see an opportunity with our presence (Kurds), and others who we divide and gain loyality (****es and Sunnis). As far as our revolution the British could have easily won in 1776, the lucky strike of Trenton and the conservative actions of Howe basically saved the cause. If Washington failed at Trenton there would be no French backing and the support among the people would have melted away and we would be learning about the great traitors not founding fathers.


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