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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by jr602az View Post
    All you have to do is vote and explain why
    We are not at war with Iraq. And you failed to provide, in your poll, a legitimate answer to the question you meant to ask, "Why are we at war in Iraq?"

    I would surmise that we probably made a strategic decision to gain a foothold in a part of the world, and all the resources and influence that come along with it, that had previously been out of our reach. Increasing our global presence and influence are good goals and a little more important than your grossly simplified choice of "For the oil".

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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    We are not at war with Iraq. And you failed to provide, in your poll, a legitimate answer to the question you meant to ask, "Why are we at war in Iraq?"

    I would surmise that we probably made a strategic decision to gain a foothold in a part of the world, and all the resources and influence that come along with it, that had previously been out of our reach. Increasing our global presence and influence are good goals and a little more important than your grossly simplified choice of "For the oil".
    Nicely put.


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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

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    Serves it right!


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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    We are not at war with Iraq. And you failed to provide, in your poll, a legitimate answer to the question you meant to ask, "Why are we at war in Iraq?"

    I would surmise that we probably made a strategic decision to gain a foothold in a part of the world, and all the resources and influence that come along with it, that had previously been out of our reach. Increasing our global presence and influence are good goals and a little more important than your grossly simplified choice of "For the oil".
    We went to war against Iraq though, against the sovereign nation of Iraq. We took on their troops and military, we disposed of their government, we created another government...or tried to, it's not going so well, in its place. We did this because the Iraqi government was supposedly a threat. Now we are at war in Iraq because we ****ed it up so badly and can't get a handle on the situation.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We went to war against Iraq though, against the sovereign nation of Iraq. We took on their troops and military, we disposed of their government, we created another government...or tried to, it's not going so well, in its place. We did this because the Iraqi government was supposedly a threat. Now we are at war in Iraq because we ****ed it up so badly and can't get a handle on the situation.
    We are in Iraq for Geopolitical reasons, excuses for wars are as old as history herself. The Boston "Massasacre", Killing of Arch Duke Ferdinand, Sinking of Maine, Lusitania, the Shelling of German forces by the Poles, kidnapping of Helen etc etc etc. The real reason for the invasion was to increase our influence and interests in the region.


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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by jr602az View Post
    All you have to do is vote and explain why
    Congress never declared war on Iraq, thus we are not now nor have we ever been at war with them.

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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We went to war against Iraq though, against the sovereign nation of Iraq. We took on their troops and military, we disposed of their government, we created another government...or tried to, it's not going so well, in its place. We did this because the Iraqi government was supposedly a threat. Now we are at war in Iraq because we ****ed it up so badly and can't get a handle on the situation.
    I never said how well we executed the plan. Under Rumsfeld, the war was very poorly prosecuted which has led to the problems we face now. Shock and awe should have been followed quickly with level and burn.

    However, we haven't the nerve to do the sensible thing when it comes to war.

    In any event, I just gave an opinion on the "why" and not the matters of "how" or "was it worth it".

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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I never said how well we executed the plan. Under Rumsfeld, the war was very poorly prosecuted which has led to the problems we face now. Shock and awe should have been followed quickly with level and burn.

    However, we haven't the nerve to do the sensible thing when it comes to war.

    In any event, I just gave an opinion on the "why" and not the matters of "how" or "was it worth it".
    The sensible thing when it comes to war is to avoid it at all cost. The next sensible thing is not to be the occupying force. We wrote that handbook ourselves. We used it against the British when we kicked their limey asses out.
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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The sensible thing when it comes to war is to avoid it at all cost. The next sensible thing is not to be the occupying force. We wrote that handbook ourselves. We used it against the British when we kicked their limey asses out.
    Avoiding war at all costs will undoubtabley lead to war. We kicked the British out after a Super power helped us, if it wasnt for some luck at Trenton and Princeton and the help of the French we would have been united with Canada till today.


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    Re: Why Are We At War With Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The sensible thing when it comes to war is to avoid it at all cost.
    That's a very noble and very mealy mouthed sentiment but out of the commune and back in the real world, diplomacy and influence often come from the end of a gun barrel.

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