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Do you currently have a healthcare plan?

Do you currently have a healthcare plan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 75.0%

  • No

    Votes: 11 25.0%
  • Total voters
    44
MikeVFF

MikeVFF

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Title explains it all.
 
Nope. My plan is to use low-income clinics and then just not pay them. Working all right so far.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Nope. My plan is to use low-income clinics and then just not pay them. Working all right so far.
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Wouldn't that present a problem if obama passes his healthcare plan due to the fines involved when you fail to have health insurance?
 
MikeVFF said:
Wouldn't that present a problem if obama passes his healthcare plan due to the fines involved when you fail to have health insurance?
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Yeah, what assets are they going to take the fines out of? They going to lock me up? I get free healthcare in jail. **** 'em.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Yeah, what assets are they going to take the fines out of? They going to lock me up? I get free healthcare in jail. **** 'em.
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Along for free facilities, luxuries, and 3 meals a day, what more could you want?
 
Yep and American Tax $$$ pay for it...
 
I got kicked off my parents' plan after college and have yet to get my own.
 
It would not be cost-effective for me to have one, so I don't.

If the government forces me to get one, I will resist.
 
Yes, I have medical insurance as of a year and a half ago.
Before that, I didn't have it for more than a decade.
 
Yes, through my job.
 
Yes, government insurance.
 
Will someone please explain what the whole fuss about the health plan is ?

I'm happy to pay taxes and get an excellent medical coverage not just for myself and for my family but also for those in need who would have never otherwise afforded a private health insurance.

If I didn't have my 100% coverage when I was pregnant (unemployed at the time) and given birth in one of the best hospitals, I would have died during delivery.
 
I'm on my parent's plan for as long as I'm in school, and I can't imagine that whatever job I end up in won't have a health plan
 
Mira said:
Will someone please explain what the whole fuss about the health plan is ?

I'm happy to pay taxes and get an excellent medical coverage not just for myself and for my family but also for those in need who would have never otherwise afforded a private health insurance.

If I didn't have my 100% coverage when I was pregnant (unemployed at the time) and given birth in one of the best hospitals, I would have died during delivery.
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Proceed. But leave my money alone, thank you very much.

But you won't get "excellent medical coverage" you'll get mediocre, uncaring "care" overseen by bureaucrats, who you will have given access to every single aspect of your physical existence.
 
Oftencold said:
Proceed. But leave my money alone, thank you very much.

But you won't get "excellent medical coverage" you'll get mediocre, uncaring "care" overseen by bureaucrats, who you will have given access to every single aspect of your physical existence.
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well, that certainly isn't the case in France. The least of my worries when I get ill is money even when I'm unemployed.

edit: just as an example. A few years ago I was diagnosed with having Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I had all the necessary tests done, including a scan of the thyroid gland, the right doze of substitute hormone was prescribed and since then I've been having blood tests and scans done regularly every six months.

When I explained the symptoms to a friend in the US, he thought he might have the same problem as well. So I told him to go and get checked. His reply was "do you know how much a blood test costs" ?
 
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Mira said:
well, that certainly isn't the case in France. The least of my worries when I get ill is money even when I'm unemployed.

edit: just as an example. A few years ago I was diagnosed with having Hashimoto's hypothyroid. I had all the necessary tests done, including a scan of the thyroid gland, the right doze of substitute hormone was prescribed and since then I've been having blood tests and scans done regularly every six months.

When I explained the symptoms to a friend in the US, he thought he might have the same problem as well. So I told him to go and get checked. His reply was "do you know how much a blood test costs" ?
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My daughter has a thyroid problem as well. Like in France, in the UK, she gets any treatment needed without needing to go off in search of funds. In addition because it is a lifelong condition she does not need to pay prescription charges not only for this but for anything else for the rest of her life.
 
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alexa said:
My daughter has a thyroid problem as well. Like in France, in the UK, she gets any treatment needed without needing to go off in search of funds. In addition because it is a lifelong condition she does not need to pay prescription charges not only for this but for anything else for the rest of her life.
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Same here.

beside that, what I don't understand is the mentality of "this is MY money, I'm not responsible for others"

So, does that mean that a person should keep his money and not worry about those who have health problems and cannot afford treatment ?

The argument usually is "I work and they don't" does everyone forget that besides economical problems there and a myriad of reasons why some people are unemployed ? Do they know anything about discrimination in the work market ? Do they also realise that some people cannot get jobs or keep a job simply because they suffer from depression ?

I have a friend in Holland who has been suffering from depression. The government pays for his treatment plus allows him to work only part time and completes his salary for a full time wage until his treatment is over. If the help from the government wasn't provided, this 37 year-old man would have probably ended up living in the street.

So, people prefer to keep their money and allow the less privileged to go to hell, not even thinking that with that money they will end up buying a new computer anyway.
 
Mira said:
Same here.

beside that, what I don't understand is the mentality of "this is MY money, I'm not responsible for others"

So, does that mean that a person should keep his money and not worry about those who have health problems and cannot afford treatment ?

The argument usually is "I work and they don't" does everyone forget that besides economical problems there and a myriad of reasons why some people are unemployed ? Do they know anything about discrimination in the work market ? Do they also realise that some people cannot get jobs or keep a job simply because they suffer from depression ?

I have a friend in Holland who has been suffering from depression. The government pays for his treatment plus allows him to work only part time and completes his salary for a full time wage until his treatment is over. If the help from the government wasn't provided, this 37 year-old man would have probably ended up living in the street.

So, people prefer to keep their money and allow the less privileged to go to hell, not even thinking that with that money they will end up buying a new computer anyway.
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Very true. We have a different mentality to this. It is one area where we genuinely have more or less equality and because it is at base concerned with life and death I could not be more happy.

However, I think some of the problem comes from great big porky's being told about systems which provide health care based on need.

Check this out OnMedica - News: OnMedica investigates the war of words sparked by proposed US healthcare reforms

Here the Guardian speaks about it 'Evil and Orwellian' ? America's right turns its fire on NHS | World news | The Guardian

so I guess we also have to take into account that people have been fed all kinds of tall tales and on that are coming to their conclusions.
 
alexa said:
Very true. We have a different mentality to this. It is one area where we genuinely have more or less equality and because it is at base concerned with life and death I could not be more happy.

However, I think some of the problem comes from great big porky's being told about systems which provide health care based on need.

Check this out OnMedica - News: OnMedica investigates the war of words sparked by proposed US healthcare reforms

Here the Guardian speaks about it 'Evil and Orwellian' ? America's right turns its fire on NHS | World news | The Guardian

so I guess we also have to take into account that people have been fed all kinds of tall tales and on that are coming to their conclusions.
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I'm not qualified to speak for the UK (even though I live between France and England) but here in France if the government decided to remove the health care plan there will be a revolution.

I know so many Americans who live in France and once they've tried the system, there's no way of going back for them (not to the US I mean, but to a non-governmental plan).
 
What you appear to adamantly refuse to see, is that you are getting nothing for free. If you aren't paying for your care or producing your own income, your neighbors are doing os for you. This is charity, for which one should show proper, humble gratitude.

Those of your neighbors who do not wish to support you are compelled to do so at the point of your government's gun. This isn't even charity, it is robbery.
 
alexa said:
My daughter has a thyroid problem as well. Like in France, in the UK, she gets any treatment needed without needing to go off in search of funds. In addition because it is a lifelong condition she does not need to pay prescription charges not only for this but for anything else for the rest of her life.
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Your daughter gets nothing for free. Please get this though your head! She is the recipient of charity and extortion from your more productive countrymen. Period.

Your proper attitude is abject humility. You daughter should have this explained to her at an early age, that she lives in a system quite content with the concept of her being a lifelong beggar attendant upon the labors and concern of others. She also needs to be appraised that her parents are deliriously happy with this situation.

I''m sorry to have to be blunt, but I've had it with robbery and elective serfdom being touted as some sort of social enlightenment.
 
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