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    Re: Do you currently have a healthcare plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    My daughter has a thyroid problem as well. Like in France, in the UK, she gets any treatment needed without needing to go off in search of funds. In addition because it is a lifelong condition she does not need to pay prescription charges not only for this but for anything else for the rest of her life.

    Same here.

    beside that, what I don't understand is the mentality of "this is MY money, I'm not responsible for others"

    So, does that mean that a person should keep his money and not worry about those who have health problems and cannot afford treatment ?

    The argument usually is "I work and they don't" does everyone forget that besides economical problems there and a myriad of reasons why some people are unemployed ? Do they know anything about discrimination in the work market ? Do they also realise that some people cannot get jobs or keep a job simply because they suffer from depression ?

    I have a friend in Holland who has been suffering from depression. The government pays for his treatment plus allows him to work only part time and completes his salary for a full time wage until his treatment is over. If the help from the government wasn't provided, this 37 year-old man would have probably ended up living in the street.

    So, people prefer to keep their money and allow the less privileged to go to hell, not even thinking that with that money they will end up buying a new computer anyway.
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    Re: Do you currently have a healthcare plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    Same here.

    beside that, what I don't understand is the mentality of "this is MY money, I'm not responsible for others"

    So, does that mean that a person should keep his money and not worry about those who have health problems and cannot afford treatment ?

    The argument usually is "I work and they don't" does everyone forget that besides economical problems there and a myriad of reasons why some people are unemployed ? Do they know anything about discrimination in the work market ? Do they also realise that some people cannot get jobs or keep a job simply because they suffer from depression ?

    I have a friend in Holland who has been suffering from depression. The government pays for his treatment plus allows him to work only part time and completes his salary for a full time wage until his treatment is over. If the help from the government wasn't provided, this 37 year-old man would have probably ended up living in the street.

    So, people prefer to keep their money and allow the less privileged to go to hell, not even thinking that with that money they will end up buying a new computer anyway.
    Very true. We have a different mentality to this. It is one area where we genuinely have more or less equality and because it is at base concerned with life and death I could not be more happy.

    However, I think some of the problem comes from great big porky's being told about systems which provide health care based on need.

    Check this out OnMedica - News: OnMedica investigates the war of words sparked by proposed US healthcare reforms

    Here the Guardian speaks about it 'Evil and Orwellian' ? America's right turns its fire on NHS | World news | The Guardian

    so I guess we also have to take into account that people have been fed all kinds of tall tales and on that are coming to their conclusions.
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    Re: Do you currently have a healthcare plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Very true. We have a different mentality to this. It is one area where we genuinely have more or less equality and because it is at base concerned with life and death I could not be more happy.

    However, I think some of the problem comes from great big porky's being told about systems which provide health care based on need.

    Check this out OnMedica - News: OnMedica investigates the war of words sparked by proposed US healthcare reforms

    Here the Guardian speaks about it 'Evil and Orwellian' ? America's right turns its fire on NHS | World news | The Guardian

    so I guess we also have to take into account that people have been fed all kinds of tall tales and on that are coming to their conclusions.
    I'm not qualified to speak for the UK (even though I live between France and England) but here in France if the government decided to remove the health care plan there will be a revolution.

    I know so many Americans who live in France and once they've tried the system, there's no way of going back for them (not to the US I mean, but to a non-governmental plan).
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    Re: Do you currently have a healthcare plan?

    What you appear to adamantly refuse to see, is that you are getting nothing for free. If you aren't paying for your care or producing your own income, your neighbors are doing os for you. This is charity, for which one should show proper, humble gratitude.

    Those of your neighbors who do not wish to support you are compelled to do so at the point of your government's gun. This isn't even charity, it is robbery.
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    Re: Do you currently have a healthcare plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    My daughter has a thyroid problem as well. Like in France, in the UK, she gets any treatment needed without needing to go off in search of funds. In addition because it is a lifelong condition she does not need to pay prescription charges not only for this but for anything else for the rest of her life.
    Your daughter gets nothing for free. Please get this though your head! She is the recipient of charity and extortion from your more productive countrymen. Period.

    Your proper attitude is abject humility. You daughter should have this explained to her at an early age, that she lives in a system quite content with the concept of her being a lifelong beggar attendant upon the labors and concern of others. She also needs to be appraised that her parents are deliriously happy with this situation.

    I''m sorry to have to be blunt, but I've had it with robbery and elective serfdom being touted as some sort of social enlightenment.
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    Re: Do you currently have a healthcare plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    I'm not qualified to speak for the UK (even though I live between France and England) but here in France if the government decided to remove the health care plan there will be a revolution.

    I know so many Americans who live in France and once they've tried the system, there's no way of going back for them (not to the US I mean, but to a non-governmental plan).
    If the Conservatives even breathed a word of removing the NHS. There would be a revolt and people would go nuts.

    Conservatives know to stay away from NHS no matter how "small" government they want. NHS is untouchable.
    Hence why the republican attacks on the NHS along with the dimwit MEP affected Cameron badly and he hurried to distance himself.
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    Re: Do you currently have a healthcare plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    What you appear to adamantly refuse to see, is that you are getting nothing for free. If you aren't paying for your care or producing your own income, your neighbors are doing os for you. This is charity, for which one should show proper, humble gratitude.

    Those of your neighbors who do not wish to support you are compelled to do so at the point of your government's gun. This isn't even charity, it is robbery.
    The 'neighbours' can try and use their vote and lobby for a change the democratic way but they are a minority in many countries with UHC
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    Re: Do you currently have a healthcare plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    . . .but they are a minority in many countries with UHC
    A minority that the parasitic classes are quite happy to see compelled to surrender their wealth upon pain of death. I often stress that ultimately, governments enforce their will with the threat of death, this is why law enforcement officials are armed.

    I am darkly amused that all societies seem to instinctively declare certain minorities within themselves as suitable abuse. Today Liberal Democracies have determined that the more successful individuals have reduced property rights, and may be legals robbed.

    How distributing, that the masses gulity of receiving stolen wealth express pride in the system that steals in their name.
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    Re: Do you currently have a healthcare plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    How distributing, that the masses gulity of receiving stolen wealth express pride in the system that steals in their name.
    'Stolen wealth'?
    Oh please.
    Taxes are hardly a death threat.

    That minority can up and move to US if UK/Europe is so horrible but they choose to stay.


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    Re: Do you currently have a healthcare plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    'Stolen wealth'?
    Oh please.
    Taxes are hardly a death threat.

    That minority can up and move to US if UK/Europe is so horrible but they choose to stay.
    The collection of taxes is always enforced with the threat of death. If you are arrested for refusing to submit to taxes, the police will use force to compel your submission. If you fell, you will be pursued by armed operatives.

    Governments always enforce their will through force in the end. This is the fundamental rule of government, and must be understood.

    If your fiscal betters, who you wish to compel to pay for your health care, or anything else you decide you'd like to have should resist, you have by your vote, authorized your governemnt to forcefully seize their wealth in your name. Didn't you know this?\

    Pirates of old at least had the decency to seize treasure themselves, not send surrogates with arms to do so, them proclaim the moral superiority of their practices.
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