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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Thank you. You just proved that Voidwar's "breach of contract" and my description of "denial of benefits" are identical.
    Once again you could not be MORE wrong; but at least you are consistent.

    A denial of benefits has NOTHING to do with a breach of contract. One can deny benefits every day depending on the LANGUAGE within the CONTRACT and proper INTERPRETATION.

    There, does that help you comprehend what is being debated a little better; or are you going to continue to feign outright ignorance and obfuscate the debate with more of your typical blather?

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    If you have a problem with either an insurance company or a government plan, you go the exact same route.
    This of course is naive and completely wrong; if you have a problem with a private contract, you have the remedy of the courts.

    If you have a problem with a Government program, well, you can always whine to the politicians you helped elect, but there will be no remedy within the courts and you will not have a CHOICE.

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    Who would have thought that TD would have helped clarify things for Voidwar?
    Who would have thought that you would attempt to engage in a debate with any level of intellectual honesty?

    The fascinating thing within this healthcare debate is the desperation Obama supporters enter into to avoid the FACTS and TRUTH.

    But alas, in my experience those who argue for PUBLIC options run by GOVERNMENT entities that lead to LESS choice and MORE cost seldom have much use with the truth, historic record or the facts.


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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Wow, another Librul who pretends that we are not discussing a public only option.

    Here's some facts for you to chew on; the language contained in the bills currently being debated within congress are purposely intended to lead to the eventuality of a Government only option.

    Your desperate assertions that they don't speaks more to your economic ignorance or your desire to pretend, or assist in obfuscating that point, that it doesn't mean a Government only plan.

    But when you have the "public" option, which is the ONLY thing a majority of Democrats in Congress will vote for as expressed by Durbin and the likes of Pelosi, "dingy" Harry and Maxine Waters, they are more honest and less subtle than a creep like Obama, and you have these same Libruls writing legislation that pretty much makes running a private insurance company a non-profit, even the most desperate denial cannot hide the simple truth that the goal here is to eliminate "for profit" companies in the healthcare industry.

    Now run along and pretend that the FACTS are indeed not facts and that I am just a "hyper partisan" Republican who has no plan of my own; it is very amusing if it were not so preposterous in foisting the biggest lie on the American people since Social Security and Medicare.

    My favorite lie; it will not get signed if it adds ONE DIME to the deficit. This coming from the liar who claimed that we had to sign the “porculus” deficit enhancing plan to save jobs and the economy. Since that despicable lie was signed into law we have seen an additional 2.6 million added to the unemployment rolls with no end in sight and our deficit balloon to $1.6 trillion with negative 3.6% GDP.

    Carry on; it is painfully obvious who in this debate DOESN’T get it.
    Read the title of the thread, TD, and then get back to me.

    Your foolish monologues are irrelevant. They have nothing to do with the topic...as usual.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your foolish monologues are irrelevant. They have nothing to do with the topic...as usual.
    on the contrary.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Gotta say that I am thrilled that so many of you would never sign up for the public option no matter how favorably it compares to a private insurance plan!

    I definitely think you should call your provider and reassure them that is the case. They are terrified that people will discover that they actually don't provide any real value in the U.S. health care system. They skim off 20-30% of every health care dollar...but since y'all don't mind. I think that is great. Just let the rest of us make a different choice.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Once again you could not be MORE wrong; but at least you are consistent.

    A denial of benefits has NOTHING to do with a breach of contract. One can deny benefits every day depending on the LANGUAGE within the CONTRACT and proper INTERPRETATION.

    There, does that help you comprehend what is being debated a little better; or are you going to continue to feign outright ignorance and obfuscate the debate with more of your typical blather?
    Obviously, you have no understanding of what "denial of benefits" means, but that should not be surprising, since you demonstrate a less than mediocre understanding of the entire health care issue. Let me say it simply, so you might understand...even though I have already described it...but quite typically, you came in here with an agenda having nothing to do with the thread.

    You have a benefit in your benefit package. You need to utilize it for medical treatment. Your doctor deems it necessary. Your insurance company refuses to pay for this benefit that is in your package.

    Hopefully, this helps you to have a modicum of understanding of what we are discussing.



    This of course is naive and completely wrong; if you have a problem with a private contract, you have the remedy of the courts.

    If you have a problem with a Government program, well, you can always whine to the politicians you helped elect, but there will be no remedy within the courts and you will not have a CHOICE.
    You cannot sue an insurance company for refusing to release benefits. The insurance lobby fought hard to not have this allowed. So you are wrong. As usual.



    Who would have thought that you would attempt to engage in a debate with any level of intellectual honesty?

    The fascinating thing within this healthcare debate is the desperation Obama supporters enter into to avoid the FACTS and TRUTH.

    But alas, in my experience those who argue for PUBLIC options run by GOVERNMENT entities that lead to LESS choice and MORE cost seldom have much use with the truth, historic record or the facts.

    Blah, blah, blah. Nothing more than irrelevant blather. Do you plan on addressing the issue any time soon, or are you going to continue to soapbox with irrelevancies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    But your argument is a speculation that has no real world data to support it. Medicare does not have legions of employees scrutinizing claims to avoid paying them. Private insurers do have them. When private insurers price people out of the market -as they are doing in the individual market- there is only one place to go: a public plan.
    Cassandra, I suggest that you google the original debate and cost estimates when Medicare was farcically foisted onto the American public and get back to me.

    Do the same with Social Security.

    What you will find was a gross UNDER-estimation of the ACTUAL costs and the FACT that these programs grew far out of proportion to the original promises made and stand at the brink of a funding disaster as a result of the gross mismanagement of these programs by the very Government Libruls argue we should now suddenly trust?

    It is equally fascinating that Libruls argue that we should TRUST the current administrations farcical arguments about cost savings when it is the same one that has spent us into a $1.6 trillion deficit with no end in sight and not one honest debate as to who is going to pay for all of this largess; the same administration that told us that by passing a pork laden stimulus bill we would create 5 million high paying good jobs.

    The ONLY people who can make such arguments are those who are ignorant of the facts, or those willfully wallowing in denial.

    The irony here is that the Libruls making these arguments are the same ones who ranted for 8 years how we should not trust government and that it was the government that was attempting to take away our Liberties. Suddenly, with Democrats in charge the government has become more trustworthy than any entity in the land.

    FACT: claiming that a public option run health care bill will not add one dime to the deficit and will not result in massive tax increases is a LIE plain and simple.

    Now anyone with a modicum of curiosity would ask; why would Government officials and Democrat politicians lie to us about such a program?

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Right now no. There are certain ideas I like that have come from the debate. For instance coverage for switching jobs and not having to fear if I end up getting sick and then they say I have a preexisting condition. Also if premiums were lower in the interim

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Read the title of the thread, TD, and then get back to me.

    Your foolish monologues are irrelevant. They have nothing to do with the topic...as usual.
    Once again this is nothing more than your typical; "because I say so."

    I can't say that I am surprised with your obfuscations, trite condescension’s and laughable notions about what a "breach of contract" is and a denial of benefits.

    It is almost as amusing as your desperate assertions that the Democrats are not desperately trying to pass a PUBLIC healthcare bill and cloaking it as a "free market" tool.

    But then, denial appears to be your forte'; as usual.

    I will once again illustrate; a denial of benefits can be done as long as there is no BREACH of CONTRACT. In other words, they can indeed deny you benefits if those benefits are not permitted by the agreement; the two are self exclusionary contrary to your farcical notions about your knowledge of healthcare insurance and contract laws.

    But alas, who can accuse you of intellectual honesty right?

    Cary on!

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Right now no. There are certain ideas I like that have come from the debate. For instance coverage for switching jobs and not having to fear if I end up getting sick and then they say I have a preexisting condition. Also if premiums were lower in the interim
    One can achieve this goal without a "Government plan."

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    One can achieve this goal without a "Government plan."
    Yeah by not going to the doctor

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