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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Another person who naively misses the issue altogether; if we are unhappy with our insurance companies we can go elsewhere; if we are unhappy with a Government run program, there is no place else to go except perhaps another country where one still can make CHOICES, much like what happens to people in countries who have become unknowing wards of their States.

    I am hardly surprised with the continued willful denial of people who seem to think that Governments are suddenly more trustworthy than corporations.


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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Another person who naively misses the issue altogether; if we are unhappy with our insurance companies we can go elsewhere; if we are unhappy with a Government run program, there is no place else to go except perhaps another country where one still can make CHOICES, much like what happens to people in countries who have become unknowing wards of their States.

    I am hardly surprised with the continued willful denial of people who seem to think that Governments are suddenly more trustworthy than corporations.

    Any of the "greenies" here want to guess who has been the BIGGEST polluter in America for the last decades?

    What can one say to so many who fancy themselves as intelligent informed citizens yet so desperately desire to give up their freedom of choice to become wards of the State?

    Another person who both doesn't get it. Please show where anyone is discussing a public ONLY option. No one is, so your post is irrelevant.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Arrow Re: Another easy exposure of your assertion as a lie

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You can re-explain this 50 times. You're still wrong and avoiding,
    You started the avoiding because you refused to answer the original question.

    No amount of "I'm rubber and you're glue" on your part can change that fact.

    Your sneaky first move of avoidance, terminology substitution, has been detailed and exposed thoroughly.

    YOU are the avoider. It's right there on page two.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If you can't clarify your terms, just say so.
    If you can't answer the original question, without resorting to your underhanded tactic of terminology substitution, just say so.

    You began the "avoiding", and the order of posts on page two proves the fact beyond a shadow of a doubt.
    Last edited by Voidwar; 09-13-09 at 08:03 PM.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    So, umm, what DO you mean by breach of contract, Void?
    Oh my, isn't this funny; the forums intellects admitting they don't comprehend a simple concept as breach of contract in a desperate effort to avoid substantive debate.

    Here let me help you N the Captín; it means not meeting the terms of a legal contract.

    For those of you who have difficulty with reading comprehension that would mean that if you enter into a "promise" with another party in either a writing, which is definitely the case with an Insurance agreement, or verbally and then break those promises, you are in breach of contract.

    Hope that helped ya'll.

    So what Void asked as pretty simple without all the efforts to obfuscate the issue with blather; who are you going to go to for remedy if your contract is within a Government run plan? The answer is obvious to anyone who doesnít willfully try to wallow in denial.

    On the contrary, the current system, that of your insurance company not honoring their promise, does allow a remedy within our system of courts.


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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Oh my, isn't this funny; the forums intellects admitting they don't comprehend a simple concept as breach of contract in a desperate effort to avoid substantive debate.
    Crushing!!

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Oh my, isn't this funny; the forums intellects admitting they don't comprehend a simple concept as breach of contract in a desperate effort to avoid substantive debate.

    Here let me help you N the Captín; it means not meeting the terms of a legal contract.

    For those of you who have difficulty with reading comprehension that would mean that if you enter into a "promise" with another party in either a writing, which is definitely the case with an Insurance agreement, or verbally and then break those promises, you are in breach of contract.

    Hope that helped ya'll.

    So what Void asked as pretty simple without all the efforts to obfuscate the issue with blather; who are you going to go to for remedy if your contract is within a Government run plan? The answer is obvious to anyone who doesnít willfully try to wallow in denial.

    On the contrary, the current system, that of your insurance company not honoring their promise, does allow a remedy within our system of courts.

    Thank you. You just proved that Voidwar's "breach of contract" and my description of "denial of benefits" are identical.

    If you have a problem with either an insurance company or a government plan, you go the exact same route.

    Who would have thought that TD would have helped clarify things for Voidwar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Another easy exposure of your assertion as a lie

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    You started the avoiding because you refused to answer the original question.

    No amount of "I'm rubber and you're glue" on your part can change that fact.

    Your sneaky first move of avoidance, terminology substitution, has been detailed and exposed thouroughly.

    YOU are the avoider. It's right there on page two.



    If you can't answer the original question, without resorting to your underhanded tactic of terminology substitution, just say so.

    You began the "avoiding", and the order of posts on page two proves the fact beyond a shadow of a doubt.
    TD already demonstrated that the two are identical...which is what I've been saying. So, either you didn't like my answer, or you meant something else. If it's the first...too bad. If it's the second, clarify what you meant with examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Another person who both doesn't get it. Please show where anyone is discussing a public ONLY option. No one is, so your post is irrelevant.
    Wow, another Librul who pretends that we are not discussing a public only option.

    Here's some facts for you to chew on; the language contained in the bills currently being debated within congress are purposely intended to lead to the eventuality of a Government only option.

    Your desperate assertions that they don't speaks more to your economic ignorance or your desire to pretend, or assist in obfuscating that point, that it doesn't mean a Government only plan.

    But when you have the "public" option, which is the ONLY thing a majority of Democrats in Congress will vote for as expressed by Durbin and the likes of Pelosi, "dingy" Harry and Maxine Waters, they are more honest and less subtle than a creep like Obama, and you have these same Libruls writing legislation that pretty much makes running a private insurance company a non-profit, even the most desperate denial cannot hide the simple truth that the goal here is to eliminate "for profit" companies in the healthcare industry.

    Now run along and pretend that the FACTS are indeed not facts and that I am just a "hyper partisan" Republican who has no plan of my own; it is very amusing if it were not so preposterous in foisting the biggest lie on the American people since Social Security and Medicare.

    My favorite lie; it will not get signed if it adds ONE DIME to the deficit. This coming from the liar who claimed that we had to sign the ďporculusĒ deficit enhancing plan to save jobs and the economy. Since that despicable lie was signed into law we have seen an additional 2.6 million added to the unemployment rolls with no end in sight and our deficit balloon to $1.6 trillion with negative 3.6% GDP.

    Carry on; it is painfully obvious who in this debate DOESNíT get it.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Oh my, isn't this funny; the forums intellects admitting they don't comprehend a simple concept as breach of contract in a desperate effort to avoid substantive debate.

    Here let me help you N the Captín; it means not meeting the terms of a legal contract.

    For those of you who have difficulty with reading comprehension that would mean that if you enter into a "promise" with another party in either a writing, which is definitely the case with an Insurance agreement, or verbally and then break those promises, you are in breach of contract.

    Hope that helped ya'll.

    So what Void asked as pretty simple without all the efforts to obfuscate the issue with blather; who are you going to go to for remedy if your contract is within a Government run plan? The answer is obvious to anyone who doesnít willfully try to wallow in denial.

    On the contrary, the current system, that of your insurance company not honoring their promise, does allow a remedy within our system of courts.

    But your argument is a speculation that has no real world data to support it. Medicare does not have legions of employees scrutinizing claims to avoid paying them. Private insurers do have them. When private insurers price people out of the market -as they are doing in the individual market- there is only one place to go: a public plan.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Oh my, isn't this funny; the forums intellects admitting they don't comprehend a simple concept as breach of contract in a desperate effort to avoid substantive debate.
    Here let me help you N the Captín; it means not meeting the terms of a legal contract.
    For those of you who have difficulty with reading comprehension that would mean that if you enter into a "promise" with another party in either a writing, which is definitely the case with an Insurance agreement, or verbally and then break those promises, you are in breach of contract.
    Hope that helped ya'll.
    So what Void asked as pretty simple without all the efforts to obfuscate the issue with blather; who are you going to go to for remedy if your contract is within a Government run plan? The answer is obvious to anyone who doesnít willfully try to wallow in denial.
    On the contrary, the current system, that of your insurance company not honoring their promise, does allow a remedy within our system of courts.
    So, how does Voidwar see it as being different from a denial of benefits?
    I may be wrong.

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