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    Thumbs down Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Can't clarify your terms, can you Voidwar?
    Can't answer the question you were asked first, can you, self-admitted terminology substituter ?

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Do you need a set too ?
    Just offering you a chance to explain your point further. Obviously you have some reason for not wanting to explain your position. Your dear readers can only guess as to why you would choose to avoid a straightforward question.
    Carry on. Don't mind me.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Can't answer the question you were asked first, can you, self-admitted terminology substituter ?
    Answered. Either you didn't like the answer, or you meant something different. So, tell us what you meant? Why avoid a simple request such as this? Do you not know what you meant?
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Arrow Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Just offering you a chance to explain your point further.
    Oh really ?
    If you'd like to jump into the thread and offer things, you can offer Captain Courtesy the chance to answer the original question he was asked, without resorting to the underhanded tactic of terminology substitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Obviously you have some reason for not wanting to explain your position.
    Incorrect. What is OBVIOUS is that CC will do anything, for 5 pages, to avoid answering the original question as phrased.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Deal with Medicare. Then deal with Oxford. When you do both, you'll understand.
    Medicare is the perfect storm and reason that ANYTHING managed by the Government should be mistrusted and any notion that by taking a Medicare like program and expanding it to 45,000,000 (number fabricated by the Left) uninsured will not cost us a dime; well just one more lie to add to the many Obama and his minions spew daily.

    I would like you, just one time, to deal with the questions posed and statements I made instead of avoiding them and pretending that you have all the answers yet rarely answer anything.

    The Government lied to the American people when they created Medicare and the costs that would be associated with it; they lied to the American people about Social Security and how it would be funded; and once again they are lying to the American people about National healthcare and how much the program will end up costing.

    Then here on this forum, the Liberals like you, and quasi liberals who claim they are independents, suggest that they would trust Government far more than they can Insurance Companies. I find those statements stunning not just in the gross naiveté they present, but from the same Liberals who for 8 years demagogue an Republican administration at every opportunity and told us how we all shouldn't trust them as far as we can throw them.

    Now suddenly, you all are arguing that the Government is the ONLY thing we can trust and that all them mean dastardly Corporations, CEOs and particularly those evil insurance companies few had issues with, are not to be trusted at all with our healthcare.

    Good lord, even a small child can see the gross hypocrisy and deceit the Democrats and Libruls represent in such a short time span.

    The fact here is this; the Government is currently LYING about the costs, it is fear mongering the ignorant and it is demogogueing those who debate their lies and distortions in the court of public opinion suggesting that Americans who use their constitutional right of free speech are just a bunch of wack jobs who should be ignored.

    All one need do is watch Meet the Press and see Dick tiny brain Durbin and Dr. Howard “shout” Dean to see the real agenda here is to pass a National healthcare program while they have the majorities to do so.

    Here’s Obama lying to the American people:

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    Another easy exposure of your assertion as a lie

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Answered.
    A blatant lie and I will prove it so again.

    Your post:
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I work with insurance companies daily. Sad to say I would trust the government before I would trust an insurance company.
    My post:
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    And to whom would one appeal a breached contract ?
    Your attempt to substitute terminology and spin a tale :


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy
    When one appeals a denial of benefits with the insurance company, one would appeal to the insurance company. When one would appeal a denial of benefits with a public option, one would appeal to the agency in charge of the public option...similar to appealing to Medicare, now.
    You did not answer my question.
    You substituted your own, about "denial of benefits" and then answered that.

    Now you are repeatedly asserting a falsehood, trying to repeat it enough times that it becomes true. You can't. You didn't answer MY question, as I have shown, you used terminology substitution to make up your own question. You ran from my original question as phrased, and have tried to lie your way out of the fact for 5 pages now.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy
    Why avoid a simple request such as this?
    Because you are rudely out of order. My simple request was first , and you know it.
    Last edited by Voidwar; 09-13-09 at 07:46 PM.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Want to give numbers as to how well that goes?

    I frankly don't see the difference between having an insurance criteria that delays constantly until you're dead or some government official decide you die. Either way, the doctor isn't involved and you're screwed. People act as if insurance deciding when you die is really any better. It's not.
    Another person who naively misses the issue altogether; if we are unhappy with our insurance companies we can go elsewhere; if we are unhappy with a Government run program, there is no place else to go except perhaps another country where one still can make CHOICES, much like what happens to people in countries who have become unknowing wards of their States.

    I am hardly surprised with the continued willful denial of people who seem to think that Governments are suddenly more trustworthy than corporations.

    Any of the "greenies" here want to guess who has been the BIGGEST polluter in America for the last decades?

    What can one say to so many who fancy themselves as intelligent informed citizens yet so desperately desire to give up their freedom of choice to become wards of the State?


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    Re: Another easy exposure of your assertion as a lie

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    A blatant lie and I will prove it so again.

    Your post:

    My post:
    Your attempt to substitute terminology and spin a tale :




    You did not answer my question.
    You substituted your own, about "denial of benefits" and then answered that.

    Now you are repeatedly asserting a falsehood, trying to repeat it enough times that it becomes true. You can't. You didn't answer MY question, as I have shown, you used terminology substitution to make up your own question. You ran from my original question as phrased, and have tried to lie your way out of the fact for 5 pages now.



    Because you are rudely out of order. My simple request was first , and you know it.
    You can re-explain this 50 times. You're still wrong and avoiding, and anyone with sense sees it. As I said...typical. If you can't clarify your terms, just say so.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    When one appeals the denial of benefits with the insurance companies and is not satisfied they have the option of our court systems.

    With a GOVERNMENT plan you won’t be able to take them to court; it’s one of the methods they will reduce costs. Good luck with those appeals to faceless and non-caring Government workers who will be so overwhelmed they want give a crapola.

    I find the notion that the Government will care more than a private corporation who relies on customers to stay in business amusing but also dangerously uninformed and naive.
    If you want to remain an indentured servant to a large corporation you may be happy with the health insurance you receive. Otherwise, you are up a creek w/o a paddle / on your own mate- once you hit middle age and until you receive government run medicare.

    Among this year's large rate increases on the individual market:

    • Anthem Blue Cross in California has notified about 80% of its 800,000 individual policyholders of double-digit increases, many above 30%. Spokesman Ben Singer says rising medical costs are prompting the increases.

    • Blue Cross of Michigan is seeking state approval for a 56% increase in individual premiums. Spokesman Andy Hetzel says the company needs to offset losses stemming from state rules making it the sole insurer required to take all applicants.

    • Regence Blue Cross Blue Shield of Oregon will raise rates for approximately 10,000 Washington state customers by 27.1% on March 1.

    Another Washington insurer, LifeWise, raised rates 17.6% on Jan. 1, according to the Office of the Insurance Commissioner in Washington state.

    By comparison, group health insurance premiums paid by employers rose about 5% in 2008, says a survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

    Some insurers say increases this year for individual policies aren't out of the ordinary. Aetna, for example, says individual policy increases nationwide range from 8% to 22%

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Medicare is the perfect storm and reason that ANYTHING managed by the Government should be mistrusted and any notion that by taking a Medicare like program and expanding it to 45,000,000 (number fabricated by the Left) uninsured will not cost us a dime; well just one more lie to add to the many Obama and his minions spew daily.

    I would like you, just one time, to deal with the questions posed and statements I made instead of avoiding them and pretending that you have all the answers yet rarely answer anything.

    The Government lied to the American people when they created Medicare and the costs that would be associated with it; they lied to the American people about Social Security and how it would be funded; and once again they are lying to the American people about National healthcare and how much the program will end up costing.

    Then here on this forum, the Liberals like you, and quasi liberals who claim they are independents, suggest that they would trust Government far more than they can Insurance Companies. I find those statements stunning not just in the gross naiveté they present, but from the same Liberals who for 8 years demagogue an Republican administration at every opportunity and told us how we all shouldn't trust them as far as we can throw them.

    Now suddenly, you all are arguing that the Government is the ONLY thing we can trust and that all them mean dastardly Corporations, CEOs and particularly those evil insurance companies few had issues with, are not to be trusted at all with our healthcare.

    Good lord, even a small child can see the gross hypocrisy and deceit the Democrats and Libruls represent in such a short time span.

    The fact here is this; the Government is currently LYING about the costs, it is fear mongering the ignorant and it is demogogueing those who debate their lies and distortions in the court of public opinion suggesting that Americans who use their constitutional right of free speech are just a bunch of wack jobs who should be ignored.

    All one need do is watch Meet the Press and see Dick tiny brain Durbin and Dr. Howard “shout” Dean to see the real agenda here is to pass a National healthcare program while they have the majorities to do so.

    Here’s Obama lying to the American people:

    msnbc.com Video Player


    I'll gladly discuss this with you when you address the issue that I was presenting, which was NOT costs. If you want to have a monologue about costs, which was NOT what I addressed, be my guest, but I have no idea who you are talking to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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