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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    why? government employees are worse. At least with a profit-oriented insurance company, you can protest from your wallet ever try this ??without fear of some "government-agents" busting down your door for "not following the law".
    There is also a fear that Martians will be following these "government agents".
    There are people in government who do over re-act...But no-one in the private sector ever over reacts.
    Interesting, thus far, the vote is a tie, with 7 "other".

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I do not want ANYONE other than my healthcare provider deciding what I can or cannot do and what treatment I can or cannot have.


    I'll say it again, I do not want ANYONE other than my healthcare provider deciding what I can or cannot do and what treatment I can or cannot have. That includes the bureaucrats at private insurance companies.
    No one ever does. They only decide what they will or won't COVER. No one prevents you from actually having a procedure done. YET.

    But, giving the government control of my health care gives them a vested financial interest in controlling my behavior as it relates to my health. That, my friend, is control I will not give them freely. No way in hell. Insurance companies do not have that ability. The government does.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No one ever does. They only decide what they will or won't COVER. No one prevents you from actually having a procedure done. YET.

    But, giving the government control of my health care gives them a vested financial interest in controlling my behavior as it relates to my health. That, my friend, is control I will not give them freely. No way in hell. Insurance companies do not have that ability. The government does.
    No, they would not. You could still have the procedure you want...you'd just pay out of pocket for it. Similar to what you would do with insurance companies. What I do not want is either telling me whether or not I can use benefits that I have in my package if my physician states that the treatment is medically necessary. This happens with regularity. I pay for my health insurance. Do not tell me if I can use it or not if my doctor says I need it.
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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Cassandra, I suggest that you google the original debate and cost estimates when Medicare was farcically foisted onto the American public and get back to me.

    Do the same with Social Security.

    What you will find was a gross UNDER-estimation of the ACTUAL costs and the FACT that these programs grew far out of proportion to the original promises made and stand at the brink of a funding disaster as a result of the gross mismanagement of these programs by the very Government Libruls argue we should now suddenly trust?

    It is equally fascinating that Libruls argue that we should TRUST the current administrations farcical arguments about cost savings when it is the same one that has spent us into a $1.6 trillion deficit with no end in sight and not one honest debate as to who is going to pay for all of this largess; the same administration that told us that by passing a pork laden stimulus bill we would create 5 million high paying good jobs.

    The ONLY people who can make such arguments are those who are ignorant of the facts, or those willfully wallowing in denial.

    The irony here is that the Libruls making these arguments are the same ones who ranted for 8 years how we should not trust government and that it was the government that was attempting to take away our Liberties. Suddenly, with Democrats in charge the government has become more trustworthy than any entity in the land.

    FACT: claiming that a public option run health care bill will not add one dime to the deficit and will not result in massive tax increases is a LIE plain and simple.

    Now anyone with a modicum of curiosity would ask; why would Government officials and Democrat politicians lie to us about such a program?
    Thanks for all the effort but you did not respond to the fairly simple point I made. You just changed the subject.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    That is the laughable part of your illusion; that the public option would compare favorably with a private insurance plan or that the effort of Democrats is to do away with private for profit insurance and health entities in the future once they can pass this 1,000 page attempt to obfuscate the obvious.



    But of course this is nothing more than empty hyperbolic rhetoric with no facts to support it.
    I can't provide the data if you are unable to point out which bits you don't understand
    Again it begs the question; why do supporters of Government takeovers of our economy lie and distort to make their case? Could it be because there are no facts and the historic record doesn't support their political positions?
    Again this scatter shot does nothing to enlighten. I get it- you mistrust government.

    There are 3 issues to address in U.S. health care.
    1) Americans are too unhealthy

    2) The cost of care ( insurance aside) has become too expensive

    3) The "system" is structurally inefficient, a drag on the economy with embedded incentives that increase costs and leave people uninsured.

    I believe that the plan, now being considered in Congress, is an inadequate baby step that barely addresses some of the issues in #3. I would much prefer a system like that of France's. But the private insurance system has already locked many people( like my family) out of the system so I'll take the public plan- gladly.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Actually you asked a question to his question.
    What you have said here is not factually correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I work with insurance companies daily. Sad to say I would trust the government before I would trust an insurance company.
    Would you like to retract your false assertion ?

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, they would not. You could still have the procedure you want...you'd just pay out of pocket for it. Similar to what you would do with insurance companies. What I do not want is either telling me whether or not I can use benefits that I have in my package if my physician states that the treatment is medically necessary. This happens with regularity. I pay for my health insurance. Do not tell me if I can use it or not if my doctor says I need it.
    I find the entire conversation surreal! Don't you?
    Medicare has financial difficulties because gov't has made too little effort to question physicians judgment about expensive tests and fraudulent billing. Deny care??- Not that I have noticed! Yet, in the same breath people argue that Medicare is gonna kill your grandma by denying care AND that it costs too much. PHEW! Wait till the private insurers get their paws on Grandma: Grandma is going to be outsourced to Mexico....But maybe that is a good thing: warm climate, caring people, plenty of cheap pharmaceuticals.

    Personally, and I do take it personally, I don't understand why so many people, here, don't want people like me to have health insurance. Its a mystery.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, they would not. You could still have the procedure you want...you'd just pay out of pocket for it. Similar to what you would do with insurance companies. What I do not want is either telling me whether or not I can use benefits that I have in my package if my physician states that the treatment is medically necessary. This happens with regularity. I pay for my health insurance. Do not tell me if I can use it or not if my doctor says I need it.
    I'm not sure how this is any different than what I've already said...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    I find the entire conversation surreal! Don't you?
    Medicare has financial difficulties because gov't has made too little effort to question physicians judgment about expensive tests and fraudulent billing. Deny care??- Not that I have noticed! Yet, in the same breath people argue that Medicare is gonna kill your grandma by denying care AND that it costs too much. PHEW! Wait till the private insurers get their paws on Grandma: Grandma is going to be outsourced to Mexico....But maybe that is a good thing: warm climate, caring people, plenty of cheap pharmaceuticals.

    Personally, and I do take it personally, I don't understand why so many people, here, don't want people like me to have health insurance. Its a mystery.
    There's not anyone who "doesn't want people like [you] to have insurance." At worst, we just don't care. At best, we don't want to pay for it for you.

    Personally, I don't care if you have insurance or not. It's not that I'm callous, I just don't know you and don't think about you. Your well being is your responsibility.

    What I do care about is how much of my money is being taken from my checks to pay for people who refuse to be responsible for themselves. I have no issue with temporary public assistance, but my experiences have shown that a great many people do not utilize public options for temporary situations. They utilize them for a way of life and that I do not wish to subsidize with my money. I would much, MUCH rather I get to keep my own money that *I* have earned and use it to help those I personally choose to help.

    And yet again, I state that I have absolutely no issue with a public option that I can opt out of using AND opt out of paying for. I do not care if the government wants to start running their own insurance agency, as long as I don't have to pay for it and I don't have to use it. AND, as long as they mind their own business and don't put legal restrictions on the general public for whatever they deem to be "unhealthy".

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post


    Personally, I don't care if you have insurance or not. It's not that I'm callous, I just don't know you and don't think about you. Your well being is your responsibility.
    no kidding?
    What I do care about is how much of my money is being taken from my checks to pay for people who refuse to be responsible for themselves. I have no issue with temporary public assistance, but my experiences have shown that a great many people do not utilize public options for temporary situations. They utilize them for a way of life and that I do not wish to subsidize with my money. I would much, MUCH rather I get to keep my own money that *I* have earned and use it to help those I personally choose to help.

    And yet again, I state that I have absolutely no issue with a public option that I can opt out of using AND opt out of paying for. I do not care if the government wants to start running their own insurance agency, as long as I don't have to pay for it and I don't have to use it. AND, as long as they mind their own business and don't put legal restrictions on the general public for whatever they deem to be "unhealthy".
    People, like you, are so focused on not paying for the health care of others that you seem to forget the fact that the system is based on shifting costs. You are already paying for the health insurance of every teacher, policeman, town clerk, politician, old person, poor person, fat person, disabled person...and the list goes on. The only reason the system functions, at all, is that so many people have been bought off at someone else's expense that the level of outrage has been reduced to the entrepeneurial class- the self-employed and small business person. No, I don't expect anyone to care about me PERSONALLY. I am just speaking for every farmer, fisherman, small retailer, craftsman, restaurant owner ,etc., you ever encountered. I don't understand why anyone would prefer to spend 30 cents of every dollar to line the pockets of some C.E.O rather than give the farmer down the road a shot at affordable insurance...that is, a non profit large pool H. insurance plan.
    In fact, if you read my posts, I am not asking for charity- I am asking to be treated the same way all of the corporate serfs are treated- as part of a LARGE Risk POOL. How many ways do I have to say this for it to sink in??? People who are self-employed or manage small business, anyone who seeks insurance in the individual market is unfairly skr*wed and we need a public option to substitute for the fact that for-profit H.Insurance does not really function.

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    Re: Would you utilize the public option?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Would you like to retract your false assertion ?
    Please point out what assertion I made. I'll give you a hint, Voidwar, because I know you have difficulty with terminology. I didn't make one.

    Are you prepared to clarify your terms, or are you still dancing?
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