I do not receive those goods/services because I cannot pay
The doctor does not receive compensation for the goods/services he provided
The doctor’s other patients foot the bill for the goods/services I received
The taxpayers foot the bill for the goods/services I received
Last edited by Alex Libman; 09-17-09 at 10:52 AM.
MHO is insurance did a lot of damage cost-wise, but it probably also made us have more dollars to invest in all these fancy state of the art hospitals and so forth, so you take the good with the bad.
Again, just an opinion, but government intervention in this rabid dog was inevitable. All people should be able to pay for healthcare out of pocket and that will never be possible, and it never was. I still have tonsils cause my mom couldn't pay for the surgery. Does anybody know how sick I used to get with ear infections and my mom would call the pharmacist and beg for a couple penicillan pills? No kidding. I have crooked teeth because mom couldn't afford braces, but all my friends had insurance, so they had straight teeth. Teeth make a big difference in one's appearance.
I'd like to hear from people in their 50's on this one, and those who had insurance and those who didn't. Big difference when you have a dad with a fairly good job.
"It's not that I'm afraid to die, I just don't want to be there when it happens." Woody Allen.
I've made a legitimate point that I could have made using any other historical example, from the trial of Socrates to the requiring / banning of headscarves. State violence, whether backed by guns or by the mob (or both), isn't justified, period.
Last edited by Alex Libman; 09-17-09 at 11:34 AM.
I think I answered you pages ago- along with others. Your fruits and labors have not been accumulated by you in a void. You have these things because of the many benefits associated with citizenship in this country. To pay for all of these benefits we tax people. We tax people in a progressive manner because it is pragmatic and makes more sense to tax someone more when they benefit more from the opportunities made possible by the resources, infrastructure and military power of this nation. That is fair, I.M.O. Adam Smith advocated progressive taxation. How we allocate the use of these taxes is determined by voters. If voters prefer to pay for H.C. via taxes then so be it.-How does your right to life trump their right to keep the fruits of their labor?
-Is it immoral to force others to pay for the goods and services you receive?
-How does your 'right' to health care trump their right to keep the fruits of their labor?
How does having a right to something equate to the right to have the means to exercise that right provided to you by others?
That doesn't address the issue.
People have a right to be compensated for the goods and services they provide, and so that compensation is rightly expected by those that DO provide those goods and services. If you cannot pay for someting, those that provide that something have no obligation to provide it for free, and no one else is any obligation to cover the cost for you.
Why/how is health care different?
That I live in a society does not in any way mean those in that society have a legitimate claim to the fruit of my labor within it; whle there may be some organization structure that set the stage for my earning what I earn, the fact is that -I- earned it.I think I answered you pages ago- along with others
Your fruits and labors have not been accumulated by you in a void.
How does your right to life trump that?
How does your 'right' to health care trump that?
Again - fallacy: Argumentum ad populumHow we allocate the use of these taxes is determined by voters. If voters prefer to pay for H.C. via taxes then so be it
That the majority agrees in no way makes the argument sound.
I guess we need a definition of what "fair" is to have a real debate. I define fair as being an adverb in that it means playing fair or in a fair manner.
There is nothing fair about expecting complete strangers to have their income confiscated by the Government to be redistributed through the pandering of votes.