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Thread: Unfair Practices in Health Care

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    So than you support the concept, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"?
    LMFAO

    No. Way. In. Hell.

    You received charity care. My local clinic will charge slightly less for an office visit if you pay them on the day of your appointment.
    I don't care about charity, that's up to the hospital. That's not forced on them by the government. I'm all for charity.

    However, that's not what it was. The blood test only cost $15. They charge insurance companies more because they CAN. Insurance always gets charged more. There's overhead for the hospitals/doctors to even have to DEAL with insurance agencies. They have to pay someone to deal with them, to take care of the paperwork. They charge them more, because they'll pay more.

    The difference was that *I* order the blood test myself as opposed to using a doctor's orders. Then, the results were given to ME. Even if you have insurance, you could do it that way. ANYONE could do it that way. They just don't bother to tell people with insurance about because that's where they make bank.

    Get rid of insurance, and you get rid of the high costs. The **** doesn't cost anywhere NEAR as much as they charge. Government involvement and insurance companies are the problem. But unfortunately, some fools still seem to think that adding more of both is going to magically "fix" things.

    Other than that, hospitals sometimes arrange charity care discounts. Insurers with large pools -corporate accounts ,for example, always negotiate favorable pricing. If you are not in a large insurance pool and do not meet the standard deemed "low income", you will be taken to the cleaners. It is a sliding scale with the middle income, self-employed person paying the maximum possible.
    Had nothing to do with any sliding scale since my income amount wasn't even taken into consideration. I could have been a millionaire and it wouldn't have mattered.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Threat of lawsuits and over regulation of healthcare are big contributors to high cost, but a lot of it comes from all the medical breakthroughs, costly procedures, expensive machinery, private rooms, state of the art everything. Do you know how much an MRI machine costs? Do you know about kidney dialysis that is given to anyone in end stage renal failure in the U.S. no matter if they are a citizen, are compliant with their treatment regimen, lift one finger to help themselves. I could go on and on...

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Why do you think people should receive goods and services for free?
    I chose it because of your words in the poll - 'I cannot pay', under the assumption that I am sick and the doctor can provide a service to 'get me well'. Now, should I get services for free? No. But if someone cannot afford the service, why should they be denied? I mean, this is someone's life, after all. If I am in need of emergency medical services and those services are too expensive for me to pay for, I should not be left to die. No one should. I think that, say, someone who has cancer should not be denied treatment because he/she cannot afford it. In addition to being unfair, there's something immoral about the whole deal. Refusing to treatment because they cannot pay? I think that's the least fair of all your options, which is why I chose it.
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    LMFAO

    No. Way. In. Hell.


    I don't care about charity, that's up to the hospital. That's not forced on them by the government. I'm all for charity.

    However, that's not what it was. The blood test only cost $15. They charge insurance companies more because they CAN. Insurance always gets charged more. There's overhead for the hospitals/doctors to even have to DEAL with insurance agencies. They have to pay someone to deal with them, to take care of the paperwork. They charge them more, because they'll pay more.
    Based on the info you have provided, you probably received subsidized care based on cost shifting.. The hospital/clinic gave you a charitable discount and charged others more.(on the basis of, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need")..others were charged more whether they liked it or not. I don't call that charity because no one freely donated to subsidize your care. The actual term for it is cost shifting -and that is what U.S. H.C. is all about.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Based on the info you have provided, you probably received subsidized care based on cost shifting.. The hospital/clinic gave you a charitable discount and charged others more.(on the basis of, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need")..others were charged more whether they liked it or not. I don't call that charity because no one freely donated to subsidize your care. The actual term for it is cost shifting -and that is what U.S. H.C. is all about.
    Yeah, weird that everyone who comes to that hospital can get the same deal, eh? Little brochure on the counter and everything. I wonder why they would do that if the test actually cost so much more? *ponders*

    And also weird that they didn't care what my salary was. Funny that. I guess they would "cost shift" for anyone. No matter how much money they have. How's that work again? From each according to ability? To each according to need? They neither assessed my ability, nor my need. Odd.

    And actually, I freely donate to that hospital to help subsidize the care of others.

    So no, it's not charity, it's not cost shifting. It's charging people the ACTUAL cost instead of raping insurance companies (and those who pay premiums) for 10x the actual cost.

    Get rid of insurance, get rid of high costs.
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yeah, weird that everyone who comes to that hospital can get the same deal, eh? Little brochure on the counter and everything. I wonder why they would do that if the test actually cost so much more? *ponders*

    And also weird that they didn't care what my salary was. Funny that. I guess they would "cost shift" for anyone. No matter how much money they have. How's that work again? From each according to ability? To each according to need? They neither assessed my ability, nor my need. Odd.

    And actually, I freely donate to that hospital to help subsidize the care of others.

    So no, it's not charity, it's not cost shifting. It's charging people the ACTUAL cost instead of raping insurance companies (and those who pay premiums) for 10x the actual cost.

    Get rid of insurance, get rid of high costs.
    If your theory is correct (that the actual value of the procedure is only $15 or so), why on earth do you think an insurance company would COVER it if they were being charged hundreds of dollars?
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    $250? What were you being tested for? Ebola?
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    $250? What were you being tested for? Ebola?
    Thyroid profile. I have to have it done every three months.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Thyroid profile. I have to have it done every three months.
    Do you know the name of the test? Or who makes it? Not that I'm doubting your story. Just that they aren't all priced the same way and I think your doctor might have confused you. Some thyroid blood tests do cost $250 and some are really dirt cheap. $29 dirt cheap.
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Then, you support changing current policy to allow hospitals and doctors to deny life saving care to the uninsured?
    Of course. Doctors, pharmacists, hospitals, and other medical product / service providers are not your slaves! They must be allowed to operate voluntarily, exchanging value for value with their customers, like any other business.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Rivrrat's charity care was made possible by the fact that a lot of other people were charged a whole lot more for a blood test. I wonder how many of them volunteered to subsidize charity care?
    I said voluntary charity (i.e. no government involvement).

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