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Thread: Unfair Practices in Health Care

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    Your -entire stance- on the issue is such a claim, as your own post proves.
    No it isn't, I have NEVER drawn morality into the health care debate, as it's too subjective and people end up talking past each other. I focus on economic arguments, as economics apply equally to everyone regardless of their personal values.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman
    I ask again:
    Who the hell are YOU?
    Someone who is much more intelligent than you, and who has no desire to go round and round with you on this issue again, with you dodging every question asked of you.
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    I am trying to work with your semantics. Life ain't fair...
    ... but you're willing to tell us what actions are dictated by your version of 'fair' - specifically, that it is unfair to deny people healt care services because they cannot pay, and that it IS fair to force other to pay for it.

    Since you have that definition, you should be able to tell me HOW it IS fair to force someone to pay for goods and services provided to someone else.

    And, how does "life is not fair" not negate any argument that it is fair to deny someone health care services becaue they cannot pay for them, and therefore they should not be denied care?
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No it isn't, I have NEVER drawn morality into the health care debate....
    You didn't read what I said:

    ...-you- have no issue assuming that -you- have some standing to define for the rest of us our responsibilities...
    You then did -exactly- that.

    Someone who is much more intelligent than you...

    If that's the best you got, you are, in context, NO one.

    ...and who has no desire to go round and round with you on this issue again, with you dodging every question asked of you
    Funny you shoud say that, given that every time we have this conversation, it end with YOU running away from MY questions.

    That WOULD explain your lack of desire...
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You didn't read what I said:



    You then did -exactly- that.
    I didn't say people had no right to define responsibilities for others. That is, in essence, what government is all about. I said that your definition of "fair" differs from mine, so that should not be the basis on which one defines those responsibilities.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I didn't say people had no right to define responsibilities for others. That is, in essence, what government is all about. I said that your definition of "fair" differs from mine, so that should not be the basis on which one defines those responsibilities.
    Try to keep up.
    Speaking of not keeping up...

    I didn't say a thing about fairness or developing a position regarding same, I aksed you who YOU were to define responsibilities for others -- that is, why YOUR opinions and decisions regarding who is responsible for what carries any weight whatsoever.

    Your response was laughable, at best.
    In fact, it was a fair bit more pathetic than I expected, if you can believe that.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Speaking of not keeping up...

    I didn't say a thing about fairness or developing a position regarding same, I aksed you who YOU were to define responsibilities for others -- that is, why YOUR opinions and decisions regarding who is responsible for what carries any weight whatsoever.
    Because my policies are practical whereas yours are not, and my policies make economic sense whereas yours do not. See, I can win this argument without invoking the "That's not fair!" crutch. But again, I have no desire to get involved in another of your no-debate debates, so once again I'll just let our policies speak for themselves:

    Under my preferred system, everyone would be required to take care of themselves by buying a health care plan of their choice, and those who couldn't afford it would be subsidized by the government. Hospitals would get paid, everyone would get treated, and the only people who would be subsidized by the taxpayers were those who couldn't afford insurance.

    Under your preferred system, hospitals would be allowed to reject ER patients (including those who had insurance) if the hospital could not determine their ability to pay at the time, allowing them to die on the sidewalk in front of the hospital instead.
    I'll leave it up to the other viewers of this thread to decide for themselves which of those policies is more practical and economic.
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because my policies are practical whereas yours are not....
    Now THAT is what I expected -- "because I'm better than you!!"



    Fact of the matter is, you have no place to tell anyone what their responsibilities are, just like, as you argue, you have no place to tell anyone what is fair.

    But, you'll try to do both, just the same.

    Again, I have no desire to get involved in another of your no-debate debates...
    ... because, as I said, every time you do, you have to run away from the questions you cannot answer.
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Fact of the matter is, you have no place to tell anyone what their responsibilities are,
    That is what government is all about. If you don't like it, there's always the no-government paradise that is Somalia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman
    just as you have no place to tell anyone what is fair.
    I don't do that. As I said, I do not invoke subjective standards of "fairness" in the health care debate; I focus on more objective measures like economics. On the rare instances when I ever invoke "fairness" at all (such as the war on drugs), it is almost always just a secondary point to some main economic or sociological point that I'm making.
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That is what government is all about. If you don't like it, there's always the no-government paradise that is Somalia.]
    I'll take this as your admission that you -know- you have no place to tell others what their responsibilities are.

    Now, aren't you glad you brought that up?



    Run along now.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'll take this as your admission that you -know- you have no place to tell others what their responsibilities are.
    Virtually everything the government does boils down to telling others what their responsibilities are.
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