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Thread: Unfair Practices in Health Care

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How is it at all "fair" to force someone to pay for goods and services provided to someone else?
    Would you deny care to someone with Typhoid, hepatitis, H1N1, rather than have taxpayers pay for care?

    An illegal immigrant with a ruptured appendix?

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Would you deny care to someone with Typhoid, hepatitis, H1N1, rather than have taxpayers pay for care?

    An illegal immigrant with a ruptured appendix?
    You didnt answer my question.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    It's not my fault that you feel like you can erroneously and condescendingly criticize my usage of the English language without being corrected. You didn't like that did you? So rather than graciously admit you were incorrect on that point, you call me a name.

    Why do you think I would want to attempt to have a discussion with someone who plays games like that?


    Let me know whan you want to get back to the discussion.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You didnt answer my question.
    Did you read post #38?

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Did you read post #38?
    I did. ""Fair" is subjective" doesnt at all answer the question -- since you have already created a version of unfair fair, I am asking YOU how it is fair, not how society might consider it fair.

    How is it at all "fair" to force someone to pay for goods and services provided to someone else?

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I did. ""Fair" is subjective" doesnt at all answer the question -- since you have already created a version of unfair fair, I am asking YOU how it is fair, not how society might consider it fair.

    How is it at all "fair" to force someone to pay for goods and services provided to someone else?
    Why isn't it? Who the hell are YOU to say that YOUR definition of fair is the only acceptable one that we all must adopt?
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why isn't it?
    Who the hell are YOU to say that YOUR definition of fair is the only acceptable one that we all must adopt?
    I havent put out a definition of "fair", I have asked others to justify theirs.

    But I DO find -your- question rather ironic, given that -you- have no issue assuming that -you- have some standing to define for the rest of us our responsibilities in this regard.

    Who the hell are YOU?

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I havent put out a definition of "fair", I have asked others to justify theirs.

    But I DO find -your- question rather ironic, given that -you- have no issue assuming that -you- have some standing to define for the rest of us our responsibilities in this regard.
    I make no such claim. I have a definition of fair. You have a definition of fair that may differ from mine. Since no two people have the same set of values, let's instead look at which set of policies actually WORK:

    Under my preferred system, everyone would be required to take care of themselves by buying a health care plan of their choice, and those who couldn't afford it would be subsidized by the government. Hospitals would get paid, everyone would get treated, and the only people who would be subsidized by the taxpayers were those who couldn't afford insurance.

    Under your preferred system, hospitals would be allowed to reject ER patients (including those who had insurance) if the hospital could not determine their ability to pay at the time, allowing them to die on the sidewalk in front of the hospital instead.

    I'll let those systems speak for themselves, regarding which is more practical.
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I make no such claim.

    Your -entire stance- on the issue is such a claim, as your own post proves.

    I ask again:
    Who the hell are YOU?

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I did. ""Fair" is subjective" doesnt at all answer the question -- since you have already created a version of unfair fair, I am asking YOU how it is fair, not how society might consider it fair.

    How is it at all "fair" to force someone to pay for goods and services provided to someone else?
    I am trying to work with your semantics. Life ain't fair but I think it is relatively just to maximize public health. We pay taxes for these kinds of services.

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