View Poll Results: What is the least fair outcome of this, and why?

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  • The doctor does not receive compensation for the goods/services he provided

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  • The doctor’s other patients foot the bill for the goods/services I received

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Thread: Unfair Practices in Health Care

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Do you feel that emergency rooms should be allowed to deny lifesaving care to patients without insurance?
    I dont "feel" anything on the issue.

    My position, however, is that I am not responsible for the goods and services provided to and consumed by others, and so I THINK that those that provide said goods and services need to determine if a patient can pay; if they do not, or they determine that the patient cannot pay, or they cannot make a determination one way or the other, and then choose to treat him anway, they do so knowing that they take the risk of not being compensated.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I dont "feel" anything on the issue.

    My position, however, is that I am not responsible for the goods and services provided to and consumed by others, and so I THINK that those that provide said goods and services need to determine if a patient can pay; if they do not, or they determine that the patient cannot pay, or they cannot make a determination one way or the other, and then choose to treat him anway, they do so knowing that they take the risk of not being compensated.
    Please see the below definition for the word 'feel'. In the way that I used it it is synonymous with the word 'think' or 'believe'. I've highlighted that for your enlightenment.

    * Main Entry: 1feel
    * Pronunciation: \ˈfēl\
    * Function: verb
    * Inflected Form(s): felt \ˈfelt\; feel·ing
    * Etymology: Middle English felen, from Old English fēlan; akin to Old High German fuolen to feel, Latin palpare to caress
    * Date: before 12th century

    transitive verb 1 a : to handle or touch in order to examine, test, or explore some quality b : to perceive by a physical sensation coming from discrete end organs (as of the skin or muscles)
    2 a : to undergo passive experience of b : to have one's sensibilities markedly affected by
    3 : to ascertain by cautious trial —usually used with out
    4 a : to be aware of by instinct or inference b : believe, think <say what you really feel>

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Please see the below definition for the word 'feel'.
    I'm sorry -- I thought you were looking for a seruous duscussion.
    My bad.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So... should those goods and services be paid for by the other patients, the taxpayers, or both?
    Taxpayers- the sacrifice is more evenly distributed and does not create the problem of patients dropping insurance due to rising/unaffordable premiums.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'm sorry -- I thought you were looking for a seruous duscussion.
    My bad.
    You're the one who tried to make me look stupid by dissecting my usage of the word 'feel'. You know what I meant, but you chose to make my usage of language an issue. I don't really appreciate that.

    I used to listen to Dr Laura a lot a few years back. I agreed with some of what she said, but ended up tiring of her nasty treatment of callers. That was one trick that she pulled frequently, jumping down the throat of usually female callers when they used the word 'feel' as a synonym for 'believe' or 'think'. It's a common usage, more often by women who tend to be more intuitive in their approach to life. It's a pet peeve of mine, it really turned me off to her.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    You're the one who tried to make me look stupid by dissecting my usage of the word 'feel'. You know what I meant, but you chose to make my usage of language an issue. I don't really appreciate that.
    It's not my fault that you're a little thin skinned.

    Now, were you going to address my answer to your question, or not?

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Taxpayers- the sacrifice is more evenly distributed and does not create the problem of patients dropping insurance due to rising/unaffordable premiums.
    How is it at all "fair" to force someone to pay for goods and services provided to someone else?
    Last edited by Goobieman; 09-16-09 at 02:59 PM.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How is it at all "fair" to force someone to pay for goods and services provided to someone else?
    "Fair" is subjective. As a society, we take for granted that we pay for the goods and services of others in a myriad of ways. I could provide a multitude of examples. Most people are concerned with protecting their own piece of the pie so they either ignore or rationalize the assistance received from taxpayers that helped them attain their particular lifeboat. As Warren Buffett noted; had he been born in Zimbabwe, he would be just another peasant dirt farmer.

    Generally, I feel that health is a public good and at times it falls under the rubric of national defense.

    That said, I can picture some circumstances under which I think denial of care would be justified...again, it depends on circumstances.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It's not my fault that you're a little thin skinned.

    Now, were you going to address my answer to your question, or not?
    It's not my fault that you feel like you can erroneously and condescendingly criticize my usage of the English language without being corrected. You didn't like that did you? So rather than graciously admit you were incorrect on that point, you call me a name.

    Why do you think I would want to attempt to have a discussion with someone who plays games like that?

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    "Fair" is subjective. As a society, we take for granted that we pay for the goods and services of others in a myriad of ways. I could provide a multitude of examples. Most people are concerned with protecting their own piece of the pie so they either ignore or rationalize the assistance received from taxpayers that helped them attain their particular lifeboat. As Warren Buffett noted; had he been born in Zimbabwe, he would be just another peasant dirt farmer.

    Generally, I feel that health is a public good and at times it falls under the rubric of national defense.

    That said, I can picture some circumstances under which I think denial of care would be justified...again, it depends on circumstances.
    Very well said. Some also compare healthcare to providing roads, bridges and other infrastructure.

    That said, there is a general lack of personal accountability already in our current healthcare system that is a serious problem.

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