View Poll Results: What is the least fair outcome of this, and why?

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  • I do not receive those goods/services because I cannot pay

    16 38.10%
  • The doctor does not receive compensation for the goods/services he provided

    12 28.57%
  • The doctor’s other patients foot the bill for the goods/services I received

    5 11.90%
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Thread: Unfair Practices in Health Care

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Weird, because every time I have gone to the doctor, my out of pocket expenses were less if I am uninsured. Most recently, a blood test I needed would have cost an insurance company $250. Since I was uninsured, they charged me $15.

    Funny that they would charge insurance companies an exorbitant amount, eh? Kinda goes right along with what Ikari stated and I agreed with wholeheartedly. Get rid of insurance and you get rid of high costs.
    How do you propose to get rid of insurance? The only feasible solution I can think of is for the government to encourage people to get high-deductible plans. For example, the plan I have right now doesn't cover any of my expenses until I pay $1500 out of pocket...then it covers everything beyond that. I think that would be good for reducing overall costs, if more people had a plan like that (although I wish it at least covered preventative care).

    I'm not sure how easy it would be to transition though. I suppose the government could temporarily give tax breaks to people with these kind of plans, while taxing high-cost / low-deductible plans as regular income.
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    There is no natural positive right to health care. You want it - you pay for it, or persuade a voluntary charity to help you, but using government force to get your way is theft!

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Weird, because every time I have gone to the doctor, my out of pocket expenses were less if I am uninsured. Most recently, a blood test I needed would have cost an insurance company $250. Since I was uninsured, they charged me $15.

    Funny that they would charge insurance companies an exorbitant amount, eh? Kinda goes right along with what Ikari stated and I agreed with wholeheartedly. Get rid of insurance and you get rid of high costs.
    So than you support the concept, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"?

    You received charity care. My local clinic will charge slightly less for an office visit if you pay them on the day of your appointment. Other than that, hospitals sometimes arrange charity care discounts. Insurers with large pools -corporate accounts ,for example, always negotiate favorable pricing. If you are not in a large insurance pool and do not meet the standard deemed "low income", you will be taken to the cleaners. It is a sliding scale with the middle income, self-employed person paying the maximum possible.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    There is no natural positive right to health care. You want it - you pay for it, or persuade a voluntary charity to help you, but using government force to get your way is theft!
    Then, you support changing current policy to allow hospitals and doctors to deny life saving care to the uninsured?

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    There is no natural positive right to health care. You want it - you pay for it, or persuade a voluntary charity to help you, but using government force to get your way is theft!
    Rivrrat's charity care was made possible by the fact that a lot of other people were charged a whole lot more for a blood test. I wonder how many of them volunteered to subsidize charity care?

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Where is the option,"none of the above / incomplete data"??
    You have 4 to choose from, and so 'none of the above' doesnt apply, unless you find all of them are equally fair.
    Not sure how you need more data.

    How about this scenario....
    Feel free to open yout own topic.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You have 4 to choose from, and so 'none of the above' doesnt apply, unless you find all of them are equally fair.
    Not sure how you need more data.
    I think my meaning was fairly clear: that it is not possible to make the judgment
    w/o knowing many more of the extenuating circumstances.

    I gave an example of some possible extenuating circumstances. Here is another scenario: You go to the doctor. You are uninsured. You have no job and no money. You are sick with a highly communicable virus. Which of your options seem "unfair", now?

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    I think my meaning was fairly clear: that it is not possible to make the judgment w/o knowing many more of the extenuating circumstances.
    Seems that other have made that judgement.
    Why can't you?

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    I gave an example of some possible extenuating circumstances. Here is another scenario: You go to the doctor. You are uninsured. You have no job and no money. You are sick with a highly communicable virus. Which of your options seem "unfair", now?
    How does that affect which of the four poll options you'd choose? Because the disease is "communicable"? Has nothing to do with the question.
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    How does that affect which of the four poll options you'd choose? Because the disease is "communicable"? Has nothing to do with the question.
    I smell someone looking to dodge...

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