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Thread: Unfair Practices in Health Care

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    YOU are the one who keeps bringing up "rights" and what is "fair" and other issues tied to your personal morality.
    So... you don't have an answer to my questions.

    What a shock.

    When you do, please let me know.

    Please note that this conversations -always- ends with me asking you these questions and you running away from them; this time will obviously not be any different.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Very good point Kandahar!

    Morally, i believe in the spirit of markets.

    Economically speaking, denying people coverage upon the basis of wealth has negative implications in the long run.

    Imagine two scenarios: One in which a child is not given medical care, and then eventually dies.

    Or....

    The child is given medical care, lives, and derives the cure for AIDS.

    For practical purposes, scenario three: He is given the medical care and does not do anything spectacular.

    Given the three, from an economic standpoint, scenario 1 is the least appealing.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Please note that this conversations -always- ends with me asking you these questions and you running away from them; this time will obviously not be any different.


    Really, so do you have an opinion on pigouvian taxation yet?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So... you don't have an answer to my questions.
    You can't even ****ing answer your OWN question. I answered it. My answer is that I DON'T claim that anyone else's "rights" trump your rights, as that is a total non-issue.

    Now, are you going to answer my question (which is really just a restatement of your own question) or run away again:
    What led you to the conclusion that your personal property rights are the most important thing at stake here? And why should I be expected to agree with you?
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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post

    Really, so do you have an opinion on pigouvian taxation yet?


    Tell you what.

    I'm a nice guy. You obviously have some deep, burning desire to pontificate about pigouvian taxation. Since your ego somehow requires this to happen, and you're sure to suffer some degree of permanent emotional damage if you do not, I will take pity on you and make you a deal:

    You go ahead and post whatever you want about pigouvian taxation, and I will comment.

    So, bloviate to your heart's content, and let me know when you're done - I'd hate to interrupt you.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 09-18-09 at 02:42 PM.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You can't even ****ing answer your OWN question. I answered it. My answer is that I DON'T claim that anyone else's "rights" trump your rights, as that is a total non-issue.
    But, you do -- you state that the right to health care trumps the right of those forced to pay for that health care to the fruits borne of their own labor in that the health care for those that cannot pay for it themsleves should be paid for by others

    And so, you'll have to answer the question.
    Or run away.
    Your call.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post


    Tell you what.

    I'm a nice guy. You obviously have some deep, burning desire to pontificate about pigouvian taxation. Since your ego somehow requires this to happen, and you're sure to suffer some degree of permanent emotional damage if you do not I will take pity on you and make you a deal:

    You go ahead and post whatever you want about pigouvian taxation, and I will comment.

    So, bloviate to your heart's content, and let me know when you're done - I'd hate to interrupt you.
    Why do you not hassle the government when it alters particular purchasing patterns via taxation on one good, vs the purchasing patterns of another?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Why do you not hassle the government when it alters particular purchasing patterns via taxation on one good, vs the purchasing patterns of another?
    Are you done already?
    Because if so, I'm sorry to say you haven't given me all that much to comment on.

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Are you done already?
    Because if so, I'm sorry to say you haven't given me all that much to comment on.
    So you are perfectly content with government taxing goods to reduce quantity demanded, but are against government taxing behavior to increase quantity demanded. Sounds inconsistent to me....
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Unfair Practices in Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    So you are perfectly content with government taxing goods to reduce quantity demanded, but are against government taxing behavior to increase quantity demanded. Sounds inconsistent to me....
    Look, I made you a deal.
    You can take it, or you can leave it. Your call.

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