View Poll Results: What is conservatism?

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  • It's about being reactionary and authoritarian with a social agenda.

    5 17.24%
  • It's about smaller government and/or lower taxes.

    21 72.41%
  • It's about individual liberty.

    21 72.41%
  • It's about capitalism.

    19 65.52%
  • It's (also?) about something else which I will explain.

    9 31.03%
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Thread: For CONSERVATIVES: What is conservatism?

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    Re: For CONSERVATIVES: What is conservatism?

    I'm not a conservative, but if they hired me to write a catchy slogan for them it would be: "conserving government power in favor of individual liberty".

    And it would be a lie.

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    Re: For CONSERVATIVES: What is conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    ignorance in no ground to back your statement.
    Are you planning on making some kind of point, or will you merely repeat baseless assertions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    Which would, again, imply rightists are properly representing fiscal conservatism. Why do you force me to redundancy?
    There's no redundancy there, as you did not make a sound point to begin with. As any ideology is only as valuable as its actually existing manifestation, there's little basis for claiming that rightist elected officials have not striven to implement fiscal conservatism, especially considering the role of fiscally conservative commentators in supporting the policy agenda that was implemented (which included Military Keynesianism).

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
    So you are denying you share views with the libertarian ideology?
    No, as an anarchist, I represent the most principled variant of the libertarian ideology. Modern capitalists who falsely claim libertarianism are those most disconnected with the historical roots and logical applications of that ideology.

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    Re: For CONSERVATIVES: What is conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Are you planning on making some kind of point, or will you merely repeat baseless assertions?

    There's no redundancy there, as you did not make a sound point to begin with. As any ideology is only as valuable as its actually existing manifestation, there's little basis for claiming that rightist elected officials have not striven to implement fiscal conservatism, especially considering the role of fiscally conservative commentators in supporting the policy agenda that was implemented (which included Military Keynesianism).
    Once again your attempts to criticize my accepted points by attacking the legitimacy of the statements themselves is baseless and takes away from the subject of the thread.

    Reading comprehension; YOU force ME to redundancy because you fail to accept my sound criticism of your baseless and irrelevant statements.

    And If you knew the definition and meaning of the terms you carelessly throw around you would understand my justification of claiming your criticism to be baseless.



    No, as an anarchist,
    Explains QUITE a bit...

    I represent the most principled variant of the libertarian ideology. Modern capitalists who falsely claim libertarianism are those most disconnected with the historical roots and logical applications of that ideology.
    And you are hurting its image.

    Please remove yourself from the conversation unless you have something constructive to bring to the table. FYI the topic is Conservatism.

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    Re: For CONSERVATIVES: What is conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    I'm not a conservative, but if they hired me to write a catchy slogan for them it would be: "conserving government power in favor of individual liberty".

    And it would be a lie.
    Explain please.

    Your accusations seem to criticize the republican party, not conservatism.

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    Re: For CONSERVATIVES: What is conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
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    As far as I could tell, your post did not contain a single point or argument. Please rectify this.
    Last edited by Agnapostate; 09-10-09 at 02:31 AM.

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    Re: For CONSERVATIVES: What is conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Social conservatism is related to the preservation of traditional social mores and principles, which accounts for perceptions of the regressive nature of the social platform of rightist legislative candidates.
    Not really, a conservative would certainly say that the former is not necessarily "regressive" and that an inaccurate way of putting it. After all gradual change is part of the general social conservative platform. Certainly social conservatism doesn't have to be "authoritarian" in the general usage of that term, although authority, particularly social authority and social authorities are key to its view of human society and liberty.

    This is usually paired with fiscal conservatism, which has had little consistent practical implementation, and involves spending reductions in favored areas while self-described fiscally conservative policymakers have utilized Military Keynesianism and the like in other areas.
    Among traditionalist conservatives opposition to corporate-capitalism, if only sometimes rather sentimental, is not uncommon but yes I agree that what is called neoliberalism is strangely allied to the conservative cause a lot these days.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 09-10-09 at 02:47 AM.
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    Re: For CONSERVATIVES: What is conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    As far as I could tell, your post did not contain a single point or argument. Please rectify this.
    This is the last time I'm going to acknowledge a post of yours in this thread.

    Wanted to let you know you make yourself look like an ass instead of an intellectual as you seem to want to be perceived when you make posts like that. As far as I'm concerned you prove this by the ironic and hypocritical nature of your posts.

    If you want to further your intellectual defeat, PM me your response to this post instead of publicly humiliating yourself and cluttering this thread.

    kthnxbi

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    Re: For CONSERVATIVES: What is conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    I'm not a conservative, but if they hired me to write a catchy slogan for them it would be: "conserving government power in favor of individual liberty".

    And it would be a lie.
    Can I just ask whether you think this kind of shrill and simplistic stuff is really going to win people over?
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    Re: For CONSERVATIVES: What is conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Not really, a conservative would certainly say that the former is not necessarily "regressive" and that an inaccurate way of putting it. After all gradual change is part of the general social conservative platform. Certainly social conservatism doesn't have to be "authoritarian" in the general usage of that term, although authority, particularly social authority and social authorities are key to its view of human society and liberty.
    Regression is merely the conditions and arrangements associated with return to a previous state, which are critical facets of the fundamental nature of social conservatism, if not rightism in general. However, it's the socially authoritarian nature of previous conditions that conflict with our inner libertarian sentiments and natural instincts toward self-management, combined with resistance to the coercion traditionally utilized in religious settings, that form the core of the antipathy of most social progressives and civil libertarians to social conservatism and the perceived authoritarianism of those rightists that focus on preservation of traditionalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Among traditionalist conservatives opposition to corporate-capitalism, if only sometimes rather sentimental, is not uncommon but yes I agree that what is called neoliberalism is strangely allied to the conservative cause a lot these days.
    There's no major social conservative organization or alliance that has adopted both advocacy of those traditional mores often associated with religious tenets and anti-capitalism; that sounds as though it would be associated with a Christian Socialist contingency, but there isn't any such powerful bloc in this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeVFF View Post
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    Another off-topic post from you. I'll have to assume that you've accepted my argument, given that you've not attempted to reply to it.

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    Re: For CONSERVATIVES: What is conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
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    Another off-topic post from you. I'll have to assume that you've accepted my argument, given that you've not attempted to reply to it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Among traditionalist conservatives opposition to corporate-capitalism, if only sometimes rather sentimental, is not uncommon but yes I agree that what is called neoliberalism is strangely allied to the conservative cause a lot these days.
    While I agree that the modern representation of the conservative cause is linked to neoliberalism, would you not agree the right doesn't properly represent the true conservative ideology? In my short life I have not seen properly applied conservatism by any party.

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