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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No it's not. It's reasonable to fine someone for not paying a debt and financially impacting other then but to preemptively fine someone for having a medical emergency without insurance because you assume they won't pay the debt to the hospital is a bit outlandish.
    It is not the least bit outlandish. If someone stops paying their mortgage and student loans, but keeps paying their credit card bill, is it outlandish for the credit card company to increase their interest rates? They COULD keep paying their debt, but it is perfectly logical for the credit card company to assume they won't. They are going to go with what is LIKELY to happen based on actuarial statistics, not what they think will happen in your case specifically.

    Same thing here. It's perfectly logical for the government to assume that if you don't have health insurance, you'll default on your medical bills and stick the taxpayers with the bill. It's perfectly logical for the government to assume that if you don't have auto insurance, you'll default on your compensation to your potential crash victim, and stick him (or his insurance company) with the bill. And they should fine people accordingly, just like the credit card companies increase interest rates accordingly.
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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    As to whether the government can do this, it would depend on whether the government can make a case that it is allowed to discourage abortion.

    It is 'allowed' to discourage anything it thinks detrimental to the people.

    Aside from that,
    Abortion is a sad, even tragic choice, to many, many women. There is no reason why government cannot do more to educate and inform and provide assistance so that the choice guaranteed under our constitution either does not ever have to be exercised or only in very rare circumstances.
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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    I think there needs to be a cut off at some point. When women get like 10 abortions (albeit a rare instance) they're obviously using it as birth control.
    So what? Alright, let's be honest, if a woman is so stupid that she'd rather spend hundreds or thousand of dollars on abortions rather than $5 for a box of condoms, is this really someone we want raising a child?

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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It is not the least bit outlandish.
    No, it's completely outlandish to fine someone for not paying a bill before they are even presented with the bill.

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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    It is 'allowed' to discourage anything it thinks detrimental to the people.
    We can fine people for not wearing a seat belt.

    Aside from that,
    Abortion is a sad, even tragic choice, to many, many women. There is no reason why government cannot do more to educate and inform and provide assistance so that the choice guaranteed under our constitution either does not ever have to be exercised or only in very rare circumstances.
    I would have no problem with this, depending on how it was done.

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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We can fine people for not wearing a seat belt.
    Yes, though I am not sure why that was your resoponse.

    I would have no problem with this, depending on how it was done.
    So you agree that the government has some legitimate role in discouraging abortions?

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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes, though I am not sure why that was your resoponse.


    So you agree that the government has some legitimate role in discouraging abortions?
    Again, depending on how it was done. Just because I think abortions should be legal does not mean I like abortions.

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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, depending on how it was done.
    So, if it is done in a manner you approve of, you're OK with it. Right?

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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So, if it is done in a manner you approve of, you're OK with it. Right?
    If it is done in a manner that can get past the courts, and does not restrict actual access, correct.

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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It is not the least bit outlandish. If someone stops paying their mortgage and student loans, but keeps paying their credit card bill, is it outlandish for the credit card company to increase their interest rates? They COULD keep paying their debt, but it is perfectly logical for the credit card company to assume they won't. They are going to go with what is LIKELY to happen based on actuarial statistics, not what they think will happen in your case specifically.

    Same thing here.
    No, it isn't. Not even close. In your example, they've actually stopped paying something -- and the credit card companies can raise rates according to the the contract which the cardholder signed.
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