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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So someone should not be fined by the government unless they themselves are somehow contributing to some sort of financial impact on another in a tangiable way?
    Of course. For example, if I change the oil in my car and just dump it out in my yard, I could face some fairly stiff fines due to my potentially poisoning streams and groundwater.

    If I am on a backpacking trip and go into the wilderness woefully unprepared, and thus find myself in need of emergency assistance, in many states I can be fined for the costs of back country emergency assistance and the lives risked in helping me.

    Similarly, it could just as reasonable to argue that if you show up at a hospital needing life saving treatment, are uninsured, yet have the financial to have been able to purchase insurance, then it could perfectly reasonable to impose a fine because your personal choices impacted others financially.
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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No. But I don't really think there should be one on abortion.

    There, I answered your question. Now how about you actually answer mine and talk of the topic. Do you believe the government should/does have the power to be able levy such kind of fines, and if not why not?
    No, because I dont believe the government should meddle in such things.
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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So here's the question. Do you feel the government has the power, or should, fine a woman for either having an abortion or choosing not to carry a child to term? Essentially, that women are completely free to do with their body as they wish, and their privacy is definitely respected.........but if you chose to not carry to term / to abort then the government fines you X amount of dollars, say to cover the costs of people who may be getting free abortions due to lack of financial means or to cover the loss of revenue the government will feel by not having an extra citizen come into this world.

    Would this be a breach of the right to privacy? Should the government be fining you for choosing not to do something that you believe effects your health?
    No. The government should not be in the business of making medical decisions for a person.

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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No. The government should not be in the business of making medical decisions for a person.
    That aint what he is talking about. Giving a fine is not "making medical decisions" for anyone.. it is giving a fine for doing something supposedly "wrong".. it is behaviour modification nothing more, nothing less.
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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    That aint what he is talking about. Giving a fine is not "making medical decisions" for anyone.. it is giving a fine for doing something supposedly "wrong".. it is behaviour modification nothing more, nothing less.
    WRONG. The whole purpose of fines and punative actions is to discourage or encourage specific decisions to be made. It's making a decision for you.

    My point stands: I don't think the government should be in the business of making medical decisions for anyone.

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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Similarly, it could just as reasonable to argue that if you show up at a hospital needing life saving treatment, are uninsured, yet have the financial to have been able to purchase insurance, then it could perfectly reasonable to impose a fine because your personal choices impacted others financially.
    No it's not. It's reasonable to fine someone for not paying a debt and financially impacting other then but to preemptively fine someone for having a medical emergency without insurance because you assume they won't pay the debt to the hospital is a bit outlandish.

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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Population controls hinder growth as well as deprive our country of potential human brain power. If the majority of the fetus's that were aborted, were not, we would be a better off country for it, both morally and economically. IMHO of course.

    Of course, there are the rape/incest issues that should provide the cause to abort, as well as if the child has a low % chance to live, but the birth will kill the mother.

    BTW i cannot vote because im on a stupid ****ing sun microsystems pc
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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Population controls hinder growth as well as deprive our country of potential human brain power. If the majority of the fetus's that were aborted, were not, we would be a better off country for it, both morally and economically. IMHO of course.

    Of course, there are the rape/incest issues that should provide the cause to abort, as well as if the child has a low % chance to live, but the birth will kill the mother.

    BTW i cannot vote because im on a stupid ****ing sun microsystems pc
    Over population can also be a hinderance to ecenomic growth. Look at China or the b aby boomers busting medicare.

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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So here's the question. Do you feel the government has the power, or should, fine a woman for either having an abortion or choosing not to carry a child to term? Essentially, that women are completely free to do with their body as they wish, and their privacy is definitely respected.........but if you chose to not carry to term / to abort then the government fines you X amount of dollars, say to cover the costs of people who may be getting free abortions due to lack of financial means or to cover the loss of revenue the government will feel by not having an extra citizen come into this world.

    Would this be a breach of the right to privacy? Should the government be fining you for choosing not to do something that you believe effects your health?
    Fining someone for acessing a medical procedure is wrong. Additionally, it would be illogical as a live birth actually results in far more of a cost to the government than an abortion would. When one factors in schooling, health insuranc for children, pre- and post natal care, health visitor appointments, nursery fees, school fees, the cost of exmanitions, the cost of the associated benefits due to those with children (Child Benefit, Child Tax Credits, Working Family Tax Credit) one can see that if anyone is costing the government money, rightly or wrongly, it's parent's, not women who abort.
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    Re: Fines for abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Population controls hinder growth as well as deprive our country of potential human brain power. If the majority of the fetus's that were aborted, were not, we would be a better off country for it, both morally and economically. IMHO of course.

    Of course, there are the rape/incest issues that should provide the cause to abort, as well as if the child has a low % chance to live, but the birth will kill the mother.

    BTW i cannot vote because im on a stupid ****ing sun microsystems pc
    Really? Because I contend that if not for abortion being available, we would probably have a much bigger welfare problem on our hands, higher crime rates, much more common instances of child abuse and neglect, more widespread addiction problems, and a swelling population of broken, damaged undesirables to support.

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