View Poll Results: Should the U.S. pull it's troops out of Afganistan?

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  • Yes. There is no possible victory there for us.

    11 17.19%
  • No. Stay & finish the job

    35 54.69%
  • Yes. Leave a mobil force in the area to fight terrorists/Taliban but leave Afganistan.

    15 23.44%
  • Pull all troops out of the area. It's not our fight.

    10 15.63%
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Thread: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    These radicals threaten everyone's peace, lives and property, even in their home countries. Their neighboring countries are also threatened. So you're saying that more radicals are made to hate us. They do anyway. They also will kill us because they think us no more than ants to step on. We are simply showing them that they are wrong.
    But why is it our responsibility to act like the world's policemen?
    We are simply broke now & can't be that cop anymore. You disagree?

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    But why is it our responsibility to act like the world's policemen?
    We are simply broke now & can't be that cop anymore. You disagree?
    I agree with you totally on the policeman role. We should not volunteer our services to everyone that has a beef with someone else. However, these guys, al queda, attacked us and were headquartered in Afghanastan. We took it to them. You can't win by defense alone.
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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    I agree with you totally on the policeman role. We should not volunteer our services to everyone that has a beef with someone else. However, these guys, al queda, attacked us and were headquartered in Afghanastan. We took it to them. You can't win by defense alone.
    OK...A reasonable excuse for going into Afghanistan when Al Quireda was there, but now they are in the tribal regions of Pakistan or scattered all over the place....so how do we "Win" by staying in Afghanistan & what is your definition of winning?
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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    OK...A reasonable excuse for going into Afghanistan when Al Quireda was there, but now they are in the tribal regions of Pakistan or scattered all over the place....so how do we "Win" by staying in Afghanistan & what is your definition of winning?
    If we don't leave an Afghanistan that can police itself and protect its borders, It'll be all be for Schwartzneggar. They'll "be back"!
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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    If we don't leave an Afghanistan that can police itself and protect its borders, It'll be all be for Schwartzneggar. They'll "be back"!
    Afghanistan has never had a strong central government or military. It is a conglomeration of local tribes & warlords so there never really was a chance of them being able to protect either themselves or their borders. Do we stay there forever? Increasingly against their will?

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    But why is it our responsibility to act like the world's policemen?
    We are simply broke now & can't be that cop anymore. You disagree?
    Yes.

    First of all, recognize history. It was the complete lack of a "parent" that sucked the world into global conflict twice. And during the Cold War, the world continued to need a "parent" to guard over the free world. We have never been the world's policeman and couldn't even if we wanted to be. There are far too many responsibilities and places to be for such a duty. What we have done has been regional managers of "stability" even at the cost of the local populations and all in the name of that great misleading word, "peace."

    It is our responisibility because without us acting as that parent, millions of Americans have had to be tossed into Europe's messes and our blood stains their lands because of it.

    Second, we are not "simply broke." We are far from it. The same doom sayers were spouting "broke" in the 80s. We are a proven beast of economy. Even now economists are calling an end to our recessions (far ahead of Europeans) and real estate is starting to show health again across the nation.

    Third, we can't take on the responsibilities as we once did anymore because we are the ones that are blamed for everything that goes wrong, which encourages enemies. It doesn't matter that the world was made wrong by Europe. It doesn't matter that the Middle East is a product forst of internal bad decision making on their part and then of European "imperialism" and colonialism and then European imperialism again (Soviet Union). It doesn't matter that our activity in Iran had no consequence to the greater Arab Middle East. It doesn't matter that our support of Saddam Hussein against Khomeini was less than 5 percent in regards to what the Chinese, Russians, and the French did. In the end, we are left holding the bloody body bag. We are blamed for all the world's problems. We are blamed for our success and their failures. But the Cold War is ended. The Clinton administration worked throughout the 90s to ensure that Europe would no more burden us with their problems (WWI, WWII, Cold War). Bosnia and Kosovo was about forcing NATO in Europe to be more than a club. And this Islmaist terrorist problem is more of a European problem than it is for the "Great Satan" safely enough across the ocean.

    If the rest of the world, which has been bennifactor to enough American sweat, treasure, and blood, cannot pull their own share of the burden (or at least acknowledge the mess they are responsible for) then maybe it is time for America to watch the world across the ocean burn itself up.

    Of course, the global disaster has always managed to suck us in hasn't it? It has always demanded millions of American lives for their immediate good. Instead of complaining about the Vietnams, Koreas, Gulf Wars, Afghanistans, and Iraqs, maybe people should acknowledge that far greater American deaths have been spared over and over again. This idea that we "can't be the world's policeman" ensures the death of millions of Americans in the next global catastrophe (which will probably come out of Europe...again?).

    History repeats itself often enough because people learn the wrong lessons. With the global babysitter, the world has been relatively without catastrophe.
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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Yes.

    First of all, recognize history. It was the complete lack of a "parent" that sucked the world into global conflict twice. And during the Cold War, the world continued to need a "parent" to guard over the free world.
    Then I demand a DNA test be performed on the "Baby" because I deny any paternal responsibility for it. Somebody is responsible for its birth your honor...but it wasn't me.....or you.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Second, we are not "simply broke." We are far from it.
    Don't you watch Fox News or listen to the GOP? ...Obama is driving our economy right into the ground! The sky is actually falling!

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Third, we can't take on the responsibilities as we once did anymore because we are the ones that are blamed for everything that goes wrong, which encourages enemies.
    Couldn't agree more. That's one reason why we need to leave Afghanistan.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    History repeats itself often enough because people learn the wrong lessons. With the global babysitter, the world has been relatively without catastrophe.
    But we can't afford to be that unpaid "Babysitter" anymore. The world will just have to stay home more often! The "Babysitter" is tired of babysitting for an adolescent teen who likes to smoke dope, break laws & drives drunk every day....& the cookies (left for the babysitter in the kitchen) are stale.

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