View Poll Results: Should the U.S. pull it's troops out of Afganistan?

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  • Yes. There is no possible victory there for us.

    11 17.19%
  • No. Stay & finish the job

    35 54.69%
  • Yes. Leave a mobil force in the area to fight terrorists/Taliban but leave Afganistan.

    15 23.44%
  • Pull all troops out of the area. It's not our fight.

    10 15.63%
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Thread: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    even my last post had quite a serious point.
    You aren't nearly as cute as you think you are. Instead of trying to be cute, why don't you skip straight to the point, eh? It would be far less annoying.

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You aren't nearly as cute as you think you are. Instead of trying to be cute, why don't you skip straight to the point, eh? It would be far less annoying.
    I've made my point quite often & clearly here but I'll say it again:

    It is not in U.S. interests to waste further American lives or treasure in a hopeless Bush/Neocon war where we can't even define what victory is, let alone ever expect to achieve it. We will be leaving that god forsaken country one day, so why not leave now & save American lives.
    I'm not saying we should just rush out of their hastily....We should let our forces have a leisurely lunch....& then get the hell out of the entire middle eat by 5:00PM!

    Clear enough?
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-21-09 at 10:52 AM.

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I've made my point quite often & clearly here but I'll say it again:

    It is not in U.S. interests to waste further American lives or treasure in a hopeless Bush/Neocon war where we can't even define what victory is, let alone ever expect to achieve it. We will be leaving that god forsaken country one day, so why not leave now & save American lives.
    I'm not saying we should just rush out of their hastily....We should let our forces have a leisurely lunch....& then get the hell out of the entire middle eat by 5:00PM!

    Clear enough?
    I understand that this is your opinion. I'm just not sure that you're any more qualified than the rest of us to render it or have it be taken more seriously, than, for instance, what my 70-year-old mother thinks.

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I understand that this is your opinion. I'm just not sure that you're any more qualified than the rest of us to render it or have it be taken more seriously, than, for instance, what my 70-year-old mother thinks.
    All citizens have an obligation to stay informed, make the best decision they can (based on that information) & then advise their elected Reps what they want done. I want us out of the middle east, at least our major forces which are just stationary, easy targets for nomadic terrorists & Taliban. Keep small, mobile forces in the region that can attack quickly & then leave.
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-21-09 at 10:59 AM.

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    All citizens have an obligation to stay informed, make the best decision they can (based on that information) & then advise their elected Reps what they want done. I want us out of the middle east, at least our major forces which are just stationary, easy targets for nomadic terrorists & Taliban.
    Okay. As someone who has worked for government for almost my entire life, what I'd respond is that it's good that you are involved in expressing your views. However, you are not a professional in this field, and your views have no more weight than anyone else's.

    I've heard a lot of citizen input in the last 19 years in my field. The vast, overwhelming majority of it was uninformed by any research, experience, or understanding, and it was utterly unhelpful. Had I followed it, we'd have been even more clustered than we already were.

    Let the professionals do their jobs. I have slightly more confidence in their opinions than I do yours.

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I've made my point quite often & clearly here but I'll say it again:

    It is not in U.S. interests to waste further American lives or treasure in a hopeless Bush/Neocon war where we can't even define what victory is, let alone ever expect to achieve it. We will be leaving that god forsaken country one day, so why not leave now & save American lives.
    I'm not saying we should just rush out of their hastily....We should let our forces have a leisurely lunch....& then get the hell out of the entire middle eat by 5:00PM!

    Clear enough?
    Victory is killing or capturing Bin Laden.

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Okay. As someone who has worked for government for almost my entire life, what I'd respond is that it's good that you are involved in expressing your views. However, you are not a professional in this field, and your views have no more weight than anyone else's.

    I've heard a lot of citizen input in the last 19 years in my field. The vast, overwhelming majority of it was uninformed by any research, experience, or understanding, and it was utterly unhelpful. Had I followed it, we'd have been even more clustered than we already were.

    Let the professionals do their jobs. I have slightly more confidence in their opinions than I do yours.
    I don't ever buy that "The professionals know better" argument for the simple reason that if you get 10 professionals in a room & ask their opinions....You'll get 10 different answers.
    I've worked for the government all of my life too & you know I speak the truth here. There is the right way...the wrong way & the government way.
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-21-09 at 11:06 AM.

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I don't ever buy that "The professionals know better" argument for the simple reason that if you get 10 professionals in a room & ask their opinions....You'll get 10 different answers.
    I worked for the government all of my life too & you know I speak the truth here.
    It largely depends on the subject. I'm quite certain that thing are different at DEA than they are in local law enforcement. Local law enforcement actually does police work, for one thing.

    IN a military tactical setting, multiple planners are engaged in working collaboratively to design strategies and tactics. There is a check/balance built into the system to get consensus.

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It largely depends on the subject. I'm quite certain that thing are different at DEA than they are in local law enforcement. Local law enforcement actually does police work, for one thing.
    Locals do police work?
    What have I been doing all my life.....Pumping gas??

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    Re: Should We Get Out Of Afganistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Okay. As someone who has worked for government for almost my entire life, what I'd respond is that it's good that you are involved in expressing your views. However, you are not a professional in this field, and your views have no more weight than anyone else's.

    I've heard a lot of citizen input in the last 19 years in my field. The vast, overwhelming majority of it was uninformed by any research, experience, or understanding, and it was utterly unhelpful. Had I followed it, we'd have been even more clustered than we already were.

    Let the professionals do their jobs. I have slightly more confidence in their opinions than I do yours.
    Is this the Rumsfeld defense? I'm not too keen on thinking it's valid.
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