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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Campaign funding is a complicated issue but that doesn't mean the present system of accepting bribes & "Owning" Congressmen is the only or best system we could ever devise.
    Details could be worked out. As I said....Term Limits is the place for all this to start. No one's CAREER should be elected office...That's just begging for chicanery, imo.
    I agree, professional politicians are something we should not want. As far as bribing your 100% right, the Congress people and others are owned by big contributors, but where do you draw the line between freedom of speech and contributions? I mean if I have a company who will stop me from making advertisements on the politicians behalf or organizing meetings etc. Its tough to weed out this corruption it grows deep in our foundation.


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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Here's a few things I believe in:


    1. We are not the world's policemen.
    2. I am against "Nation Building"....except for rebuilding our own.
    3. I am for the Death Penalty as the only realistic punishment to protect ourselves from vicious sociopaths, for instance
    4. I'm in favor of a woman's right to choose abortion but would rather she choose adoption.
    5. Favor an individual's right to own & carry firearms but believe the state has a legitimate right to regulate them, based on their inherent danger.
    6. Believe that health care is a right, not a privilege & should be a shared expense...just like we share the expense of protecting each other from fire, criminals & foreign invaders.
    7. Favor capitalism but don't worship it like a religion. (Not everything should be done for profit)
    8. Think "Campaign Contributions" are simply bribes & shoukld be totally outlawed.
    9. Believe in strict term limits for all elected positions


    That's just a start, off the top of my head...


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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    I agree, professional politicians are something we should not want. As far as bribing your 100% right, the Congress people and others are owned by big contributors, but where do you draw the line between freedom of speech and contributions? I mean if I have a company who will stop me from making advertisements on the politicians behalf or organizing meetings etc. Its tough to weed out this corruption it grows deep in our foundation.
    I agree it's a problem & the only way I see around it is to disallow ANY contributions (bribes) from any source. Pay for election campaigns through taxes...period. I never bought the "Freedom of Speech" argument either. Let corporations & individuals SAY anything they want. Just no bribes would be allowed.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I agree it's a problem & the only way I see around it is to disallow ANY contributions (bribes) from any source. Pay for election campaigns through taxes...period. I never bought the "Freedom of Speech" argument either. Let corporations & individuals SAY anything they want. Just no bribes would be allowed.
    And the reason why nobody supports this proposal is because it's incredibly simplistic.

    Imagine that I want to support Candidate X. Normally, I would donate $2,300 to his campaign to allow him to produce an ad talking about his policies. Now, in a world where your law is passed, what would happen? I would simply donate $2,300 (or $5k, or $200k) to a group that would be created to advocate for Candidate X's election through the use of campaign ads.

    Nothing would change, except for the fact that donations would become more secretive and ads would become less attributable to the campaigns.

    Look at what happened with the limits on donations and 527s - they were originally pitched as ways to get money away from the campaigns and cut back on negative campaigning. Instead, they became ways for rich people to funnel money to groups that were free to produce all the ragingly negative ads they want.

    Every time government touches this stuff, it makes it worse.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Not quite either. At the moment, a large portion of my beliefs side with the Democratic Party, but portions of me also pull towards the Republicans. I was more in-line with McCain and Lieberman.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And the reason why nobody supports this proposal is because it's incredibly simplistic.

    Imagine that I want to support Candidate X. Normally, I would donate $2,300 to his campaign to allow him to produce an ad talking about his policies. Now, in a world where your law is passed, what would happen? I would simply donate $2,300 (or $5k, or $200k) to a group that would be created to advocate for Candidate X's election through the use of campaign ads.

    Nothing would change, except for the fact that donations would become more secretive and ads would become less attributable to the campaigns.

    Look at what happened with the limits on donations and 527s - they were originally pitched as ways to get money away from the campaigns and cut back on negative campaigning. Instead, they became ways for rich people to funnel money to groups that were free to produce all the ragingly negative ads they want.

    Every time government touches this stuff, it makes it worse.
    I understand what I'm proposing would be difficult if not impossible to achieve in the real world.
    First, we would be expecting the "bribees" to voluntarily forgo money from the "Bribers."
    Second..there will probably always be ways of circumventing the system.

    My position is stated more as a moral "goal" than an actual proposal .......but I just think there has to be a better way than what we presently endure & I think strict term limits is where we must start. (we only started limiting Presidents to a limit of 2 terms with the passage of the 22nd amendment in 1947. If we can limit President why can't we limit all elected officials?)
    I'm wide open to suggestions though!
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I understand what I'm proposing would be difficult if not impossible to achieve in the real world.
    First, we would be expecting the "bribees" to voluntarily forgo money from the "Bribers."
    Second..there will probably always be ways of circumventing the system.
    Exactly, which is why I look forward to a rolling back of many of the ridiculous provisions of McCain-Feingold.

    My position is stated more as a moral "goal" than an actual proposal .......but I just think there has to be a better way than what we presently endure & I think strict term limits is where we must start. (we only started limiting Presidents to a limit of 2 terms with the passage of the 22nd amendment in 1947. If we can limit President why can't we limit all elected officials?)
    I'm wide open to suggestions though!
    Because term limits are anti-democratic and counter-productive. If I believe that my Congressman has done a great job, I should be able to continue voting for him to represent me.

    It takes a long time to learn how to do things in Congress, so by forcing people out after 2 terms, we would lose out on a lot of experience.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Because term limits are anti-democratic and counter-productive. If I believe that my Congressman has done a great job, I should be able to continue voting for him to represent me.

    It takes a long time to learn how to do things in Congress, so by forcing people out after 2 terms, we would lose out on a lot of experience.
    Then how did Congress & the states agree to the "anti-democratic and counter-productive" 22nd amendment (in 1947) which limits a President to two terms?
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    I voted other. I really don't give a damn about ideologies.

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    The Ted Nugent party.


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