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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You guys can come up with all kinds of fantasy explanations for the Republican Party's woes ("they have abandoned traditional conservatism" and so on), but its actually quite simple. The GOP's traditional demographic, angry white men over 40 and conservative evangelicals, is a shrinking one. Until the party moderates and thus expands its base, it will most likely continue to lose national elections baring some complete implosion on the part of the Democrats.
    The party doesnt need to moderate they need to pragmatise their message. Honest intelligent positions need to replace "moral" "Religious" hot button issues, pragmatism needs to replace talking points. Conservatives need to realise that having the goverment regulate womens bodies, and sexual relations of adults is counter to our idealogy, war against drugs is a war against individual responsibility. We need to go back to the basics of our idealogy:

    Lower taxes, tax based incentives, reduction of spending, pro American business regulations and trade policy etc

    Simply: Individualism, Patriotism, Fair Market, and defence of American values.


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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    I registered Republican was I was 18 and left them in 2004 to join the LP since back then the main thing they seem to concerned with is to use the government jack boot to enforce private morals. I re-registered Republican just to vote for Ron Paul in the primary then went back to the LP.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So far.....out of 36 poll respondents, only 5 are identifying themselves as Republicans, & I don't think DP is a bastion of liberal voters.
    While this is not a scientific study by any means, I do think it's a decent indication of the trouble today's GOP has in trying to win future national elections.
    That's not how polls work.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    The party doesnt need to moderate they need to pragmatise their message. Honest intelligent positions need to replace "moral" "Religious" hot button issues, pragmatism needs to replace talking points. Conservatives need to realise that having the goverment regulate womens bodies, and sexual relations of adults is counter to our idealogy, war against drugs is a war against individual responsibility. We need to go back to the basics of our idealogy:

    Lower taxes, tax based incentives, reduction of spending, pro American business regulations and trade policy etc

    Simply: Individualism, Patriotism, Fair Market, and defence of American values.
    But doesn't pragmatism automatically imply moderation?
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    the republicans are always right (a pun and true at the same time)

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    But doesn't pragmatism automatically imply moderation?
    Not always, what would happen if moderation continued being the policy in the slavery issue or civil rights? Pragmatism can be moderatation between 2 opposing forces, or it could be the forceful resolution of an obvious problem. Apeasment and compromise are great tools, sometimes strong leadership and one purpose are better tools. That is why figuring out the best course should be based on the best results, and best methods to get there.


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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Zyphlin's posts are right on. The reason a number of conservatives and libertarians no longer identify with the Republican Party is because the party moved away from us, not that we moved away from the party. And he may be right in saying that it isn't necessarily going to hurt the GOP. A vast majority of the folks leaving the Republican ranks are not going to turn around and join the Democrats.

    Which brings me to my question for the conservatives and libertarians in this thread who have broken away from the GOP. What will it take to get you back? The Republicans are now making some noise about the principles we hold dear. Of course its easy to advocate less government when you have no chance of pushing forward your own agenda. For me, its going to take more than just endorsing and co-opting tea party protests and opposing the Democratic vision of government. Talk is cheap is this point. I need to see action. I want some real attempts to push forward a conservative/libertarian agenda.

    Until then, my votes, my donations, and my volunteerism will either stay at home or go third party candidates I can support in good conscience. If the Republicans (or anyone) can win us back after the disgrace of the last 8 years were with a few empty slogans and promises, then we're naive enough to deserve what we get.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Zyphlin's posts are right on. The reason a number of conservatives and libertarians no longer identify with the Republican Party is because the party moved away from us, not that we moved away from the party. And he may be right in saying that it isn't necessarily going to hurt the GOP. A vast majority of the folks leaving the Republican ranks are not going to turn around and join the Democrats.

    Which brings me to my question for the conservatives and libertarians in this thread who have broken away from the GOP. What will it take to get you back? The Republicans are now making some noise about the principles we hold dear. Of course its easy to advocate less government when you have no chance of pushing forward your own agenda. For me, its going to take more than just endorsing and co-opting tea party protests and opposing the Democratic vision of government. Talk is cheap is this point. I need to see action. I want some real attempts to push forward a conservative/libertarian agenda.

    Until then, my votes, my donations, and my volunteerism will either stay at home or go third party candidates I can support in good conscience. If the Republicans (or anyone) can win us back after the disgrace of the last 8 years were with a few empty slogans and promises, then we're naive enough to deserve what we get.
    I think the GOP needs to be replaced. This last go around with Bush and their love affair with big government, big war, big spending, big deficit, big brother government has shown a lack of resolve and integrity which cannot go unheeded. They have shown that they are more than willing to sell out their ideology, platform, and constituents if it suits their quest and thirst for power. I don't know what they could do to get me back other than disband and create a different party which is committed to small government policies in real terms.

    That, or clone Ron Paul.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Because many of the most die-hard Republicans on this site are too embarassed to admit it and now call themselves "Libertarians".
    Libertarianism is a relativistic term (one might argue whether Hitler or Stalin was more libertarian), but in the context of American politics it means being notably more libertarian than the mainstream. According to me this means:

    • If they don't believe in the strongest possible protection of physical property rights, then they're not libertarians.


    • If they believe in the enforcement of ANY "victimless crimes" (sex, drugs, etc), then they're not libertarians.


    • If they believe government spending should be above 10% of the GDP, then they're not libertarians.


    • If they don't agree that the military can be 80% as effective in providing actual defense (which is still way more than is necessary) for 20% the cost, then they're not libertarians.




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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think the GOP needs to be replaced. This last go around with Bush and their love affair with big government, big war, big spending, big deficit, big brother government has shown a lack of resolve and integrity which cannot go unheeded. They have shown that they are more than willing to sell out their ideology, platform, and constituents if it suits their quest and thirst for power. I don't know what they could do to get me back other than disband and create a different party which is committed to small government policies in real terms.

    That, or clone Ron Paul.
    I can agree with much of what you say & would go further.....I think today's GOP is deliberately driving away moderates, conservatives & all but the very small.(..& shrinking.....) base of elderly, angry, rural, white, Evangelical males. It's almost like they (GOP Leaders) have signed a mutual suicide pact & are practically DARING ex-Republicans to start a new party based on the old, more moderate conservative ideals that are actually beneficial to our country! (why does an insane man want to kill himself?.....Your guess is as good as mine....but I know I don't want to go out on any ledges with them!!)
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