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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Ideally it would be best to just get more partys, especially ones for people who have principles political views.

    However, since the ellectoral systems in America (not just for president) have a much stronger winner-take-all mechanism, it is much harder for smaller partys to get any power.


    Even though I don't like the idea of a political party picking their representives based on the percentage of the votes they get (say for the house) then that is the only way to get some third party power.

    The whole idea of a constitutency of some countys in a state doesn't really work for that, but the loss of that is still worth more differing views in American politics.


    Even though I didn't vote for a major candidate for the presidential ellection, I know that there still needs to be some sort of work INSIDE of the partys to get the mechanisms to allow for third party candidates.
    We'll always be two party dominated unless we change dramatically how we count winners. But if third parties are allowed fair participation, they then become very useful levers to use by the People to put pressure on the main parties. And it allows for the possibility of replacing one of the main parties should it be necessary (like now).
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    a third party will take decades to grow big enough and even then it will split the conservative vote every time, for the democrats. the libertarians would be better off sticking with the GOP and using it to win themselves some elections. the GOP could use them too.
    I'd be more than happy to work within the GOP if I thought for a second they actually cared about the libertarian values. I'm sick of empty lip service and no results. I didn't abandon the Republican Party, the Republican Party abandoned me. And as a result, I won't give them a dime of support, a second of my time volunteering, or my vote. When they put some real action behind their words, then I'll reconsider. Not before then.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Ikari, yours is a legitimate position of course. my approach is much more short-term. I'm not sure I'm willing to take one step backward in hopes of being able to take two steps forward one day.

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    I'd be more than happy to work within the GOP if I thought for a second they actually cared about the libertarian values. I'm sick of empty lip service and no results. I didn't abandon the Republican Party, the Republican Party abandoned me. And as a result, I won't give them a dime of support, a second of my time volunteering, or my vote. When they put some real action behind their words, then I'll reconsider. Not before then.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    Ikari, yours is a legitimate position of course. my approach is much more short-term. I'm not sure I'm willing to take one step backward in hopes of being able to take two steps forward one day.
    I can't continually take running steps backwards in the hope that one day someone in the higher ups may take notice.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    I completely disagree, the Republicans ran a very moderate candidate of John McCain for president and they also have lost all of their principles in small government. They are completely fine with very classical anti-Republican views in their party.
    They ran McCain but they saddled him with Palin so she could bring in the religious right vote. That right there, more than anything, cost him the election.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They ran McCain but they saddled him with Palin so she could bring in the religious right vote. That right there, more than anything, cost him the election.
    I agree....The GOP is always just looking to shore up it's base & shuns everyone else. They can win local elections that way but to win nationally they NEED the moderates they constantly reject.

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They ran McCain but they saddled him with Palin so she could bring in the religious right vote. That right there, more than anything, cost him the election.
    b.s.

    Mccain's highest polling numbers happened 1 week after he tapped Palin as his running mate...

    RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - General Election: McCain vs. Obama

    Mccain's Presidential run went into the toilet after he suspended his campaign to go to Washington to sign the bail-out.

    But hey, never miss a good chance to rip religious people, right Cephus?

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post

    But hey, never miss a good chance to rip religious people, right Cephus?
    Not attacking anyone's personal religious beliefs here but I think this country was founded by men & women who were rebelling against the King & Church of England & made it pretty clear that church & state should not be the same.
    In the last number of years, the GOP has allowed much to much influence to be exercised over their party by evangelicals & others, which goes against the well accepted principle of separation of church & state in this country, imo.

    I think they (GOP) would do well to stop pandering to the religious right & start pandering to TRUE conservatives & moderates!

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    True Conservatives are of course against the establishment of a Church-state. True Conservatives are also keen on upholding the civil society where our form of government came from.

    The "religious right" are only involved in politics to serve as a counter-balance to the forced secularization of our culture via Government policy.

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