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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Then how did Congress & the states agree to the "anti-democratic and counter-productive" 22nd amendment (in 1947) which limits a President to two terms?
    Because Congress and the states are run by stupid people? I don't know what you expect me to say here.

    Nobody wanted a repeat of FDR. This is a perfect example of the public overreacting.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Because Congress and the states are run by stupid people? I don't know what you expect me to say here.

    Nobody wanted a repeat of FDR. This is a perfect example of the public overreacting.
    No...Stupidity is not the answer, but reaction to FDR is. We collectively realized that, regardless of how you feel about FDR personaly, that there is an inherent danger in having any one person remain President for (what could be) life.
    We are a nation of laws..... not people....... & a cult of personality is an RX for danger.
    My thinking is that if we collectively agree that is true about our President, why does it not also apply to our other elected leaders?...I argue it does.

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Although I have voted Republican, I associate myself more and more with the Constitution Party.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    I'm a registered Democrat, and still consider myself a Democrat, but I'm a conservative Southern Democrat, which in comparison to a northern Democrat, looks more like a Republican. I'm in favor of a strong defense, pro law & order, pro limitations on abortion (making them illegal after the 2nd trimester in all instances), but extremely liberal or libertarian on most other issues.

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    I became a republican 8 years ago today. I had voted for Al Gore but wasn't crazy about either candidate.

    I became horrified by the way the far left was behaving after 9/11 and realized I could stomach the far right much more easily than the far left.

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by SicSemperTyrannis View Post
    Interesting points. What positions would you consider to be extreme?
    Without going to look at every point in their platform, there are places where, as strange as it might sound, they take personal freedom too far. There needs to be a balance between personal freedom and personal responsibility and a responsibility toward the society in which you live. Therefore, elements like complete and utter freedom to own any firearm you want with no restrictions goes too far. I think legalizing all drugs, no matter what they are, also goes too far. There are a lot of libertarians who border on anarchists, who really would be happy with no government whatsoever and that's not something that I can ever agree with.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There are a lot of libertarians who border on anarchists, who really would be happy with no government whatsoever and that's not something that I can ever agree with.
    I doubt it. The nature of the Libertarian Party is of course fundamentally capitalist, which would always create an incompatibility not only with anarchist principles, but an inability to effectively cooperate with anarchist political activists.

    EDIT: There was collaboration between Murray Rothbard and Co. and genuine progressives in the "New Left" alliances of the 1960's, but that was prior to the 1971 formation of the "Libertarian" Party and the increasing misappropriation of the term "libertarian" that has angered anarchists worldwide, and sparked the probably ill-conceived "rebuttal" of "anarcho"-capitalism, which had been a rather obscure Internet philosophy up to that point.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Without going to look at every point in their platform, there are places where, as strange as it might sound, they take personal freedom too far. There needs to be a balance between personal freedom and personal responsibility and a responsibility toward the society in which you live. Therefore, elements like complete and utter freedom to own any firearm you want with no restrictions goes too far. I think legalizing all drugs, no matter what they are, also goes too far. There are a lot of libertarians who border on anarchists, who really would be happy with no government whatsoever and that's not something that I can ever agree with.

    The notion of opening the border entirely; the way the LP stands on abortion (no gov't restrictions, officially); and I have some doubts about legalizing toxic things like meth... yeah I lean libertarian in many ways but have issues with the LP. Part of the problem is the unwillingness of the LP to compromise or moderate the tone much... but at the same time that is one of the things that is attractive about libertarianism, the "no compromise on principle" position.

    In a sense, Libertarians could be viewed as a counterbalance to both Conservatives (of more extreme social-conservative type that is inclined to legislate morality) and Liberals (the more extreme economic liberals who essentially want flat out socialism). If the LP could win enough votes to become the pivot point, the "swing vote" in the Congress, it could be of great benefit to us all. A third perspective other than Rep/Dem would be a refreshing change... but I'm not positive I'd want the LP in full majority control of gov't any more than I want the Reps or Dems in full majority control....things just seem to go in the toilet whenever any party gets too much power.

    Three-way gridlock would be much more amusing to watch than 2-way gridlock.

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Liberals (the more extreme economic liberals who essentially want flat out socialism).
    Why do you keep mentioning this nonsense? Socialism is "a social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community." There is no conceivable relation between that and liberalism, or any other political ideology that economically misinformed rightists absurdly describe as "socialist."

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I doubt it. The nature of the Libertarian Party is of course fundamentally capitalist, which would always create an incompatibility not only with anarchist principles, but an inability to effectively cooperate with anarchist political activists.
    I've tried to ask you what you meant by this elsewhere and you didn't answer. So again: How do capitalism and anarchism contradict each other? I am actually very interested in how this could be possible.

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