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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Would anyone care to disclose their national political party affiliation?
    At the moment its the Wessex regionalists. One of our candidates got almost 100 votes last time around.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So far.....out of 36 poll respondents, only 5 are identifying themselves as Republicans, & I don't think DP is a bastion of liberal voters.
    While this is not a scientific study by any means, I do think it's a decent indication of the trouble today's GOP has in trying to win future national elections.
    The only thing it represents is the makeup of what people think they are.

    The GOP unfortunately will win again. Obama and the Democrats is making certain this will happen.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505
    1. We are not the world's policemen.
    Never have been, never will be. We do it because we like to swing our dick around in world politics and everyone else likes it because they don't have to pay for it. We need to knock it off.

    2. I am against "Nation Building"....except for rebuilding our own.
    Considering what a sorry state ours is in right now, we ought to stop sending billions of dollars a year to other nations and start using it to rebuild our infrastructure.

    3. I am for the Death Penalty as the only realistic punishment to protect ourselves from vicious sociopaths, for instance
    Quoted for truth.

    4. I'm in favor of a woman's right to choose abortion but would rather she choose adoption.
    You can only make that decision for yourself, no one else has to listen to your opinions, but you don't have to listen to theirs either. Personally, I'd rather they didn't get pregnant in the first place, there are far too many kids in foster care today who will *NEVER* be adopted. Let's give them a shot instead of clogging the system.

    5. Favor an individual's right to own & carry firearms but believe the state has a legitimate right to regulate them, based on their inherent danger.
    Absolutely true.

    6. Believe that health care is a right, not a privilege & should be a shared expense...just like we share the expense of protecting each other from fire, criminals & foreign invaders.
    Basic health care, perhaps, you should be able to go into a hospital and have them stop you from dying, but beyond that, you need to be able to pay for it, either out of pocket or through insurance. Anyone in this country illegally should be treated and given a fast trip back across the border, no exceptions.

    7. Favor capitalism but don't worship it like a religion. (Not everything should be done for profit)
    Far too many people do worship it, unfortunately. It's a fine system but it's not perfect and unregulated capitalism just doesn't work, never has, never will. When greed is the only motivator, as it is in most corporations, the law becomes little more than an obstacle to be overcome. We need to strenuously enforce regulations on all of the most important industries.

    8. Think "Campaign Contributions" are simply bribes & shoukld be totally outlawed.
    I don't think that's necessarily the case, but I think anyone who wants to donate should be barred from supporting an individual candidate. You can donate to the political process and at a certain date, everyone who is legally signed up to run for that office gets an equal cut of the pie. It stops people from buying influence, which is exactly what you're talking about and I agree, but it gets people the funds they need. I'd also like to stop anyone from being able to use any of their own money, except money that they likewise want to donate to the political process. It stops people from buying offices because they're ridiculously wealthy.

    9. Believe in strict term limits for all elected positions
    At least for the moment, I think you're right. When most districts are gerrymandered so that the incumbent can almost rape, murder and steal and still get re-elected, something is seriously wrong. Everyone ought to have no more than 2 terms in office, then they must work outside of politics entirely for at least a term before they can run again. It keeps politicians in touch with reality, something most of them have no clue about today.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Because term limits are anti-democratic and counter-productive. If I believe that my Congressman has done a great job, I should be able to continue voting for him to represent me.
    That works only if you have an informed electorate and we both know that's not the case. Most districts are drawn up so that the majority of voters are members of a particular party who vote straight party lines. Most politicians have no fear of ever being voted out no matter what they do. If districts were drawn based solely on population and not political ideology then you wouldn't have these problems. They'd actually have to EARN the votes of the public.

    Imagine that, politicians actually having to represent their constituents!
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    I'm a member of the Libertarian Party, however I do disagree with the party platform on one key issue: abortion. I'm a staunch believer in the Lockean principle that the number one job of government is to protect life. A government that cannot protect life is inefficient and is not fulfilling it's contract with the people. I am aware however, that the abortion debate centers around when a life is actually created, but I digress. I feel the most sensible position to take is to ban abortion as part of birth control, but allow rape victims and mother's in danger of dying to have that option.

    Anyhow, I agree wholeheartedly with the libertarian notions of personal liberty, freedom, sound economic policy, dramatic shift in foreign policy, gun rights, opposition to the death penalty, etc.

    I stopped reading after page 6, but I find it odd that the majority of people who consider themselves to be "conservative" identify more with libertarian principles right now than those espoused by the GOP. Maybe the Libertarian Party will get a little more notice in 2012 and won't be dismissed by Beck and Olbermann as "radical crazies".

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by SicSemperTyrannis View Post
    I stopped reading after page 6, but I find it odd that the majority of people who consider themselves to be "conservative" identify more with libertarian principles right now than those espoused by the GOP. Maybe the Libertarian Party will get a little more notice in 2012 and won't be dismissed by Beck and Olbermann as "radical crazies".
    That's because most modern libertarians came out of the Republican party after the party abandoned conservatism. If the Libertarian Party and it's candidates were less extreme in their views, then they'd like get a lot more conservative support because the views aren't all that different, but you get a lot of extreme positions in the Libertarian Party that people like myself cannot support and therefore cannot support Libertarian candidates.
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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's because most modern libertarians came out of the Republican party after the party abandoned conservatism. If the Libertarian Party and it's candidates were less extreme in their views, then they'd like get a lot more conservative support because the views aren't all that different, but you get a lot of extreme positions in the Libertarian Party that people like myself cannot support and therefore cannot support Libertarian candidates.

    Interesting points. What positions would you consider to be extreme?

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    The analogy doesn't hold water. The Mafia doesn't pass laws and policy that affect all of us.
    Not in America, but in some parts of the world gangsters have had tremendous influence, and as they grew in power they found it in their best interest to pass laws over their subjects, establish a bureaucracy, arbitrate conflicts amongst their subjects, build roads, schools, and so on. The only difference between mafia and government is size.


    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    You may view our current government or two party system as a gang of ruthless thugs infringing on our liberties, but libertarians becoming a part of government remains our best option for making things better.
    Quoting Ayn Rand: "in any collaboration between two men (or two groups) who hold different basic principles, it is the more evil or irrational one who wins". Principled individuals have nothing to gain by cooperating with an evil system (i.e. government). The government would gain a lot: a justification of its immoral system for manufacturing consent (the democracy circus).

    The greatest hope comes from escaping government tyranny through secession, whether large (ex. focused civil disobedience in conjunction with the Free State Project) or small (thousands of independent seasteads).


    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    I never could understand why radical libertarians reject moderation if it could translate into electoral success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Unless of course you believe things are too far gone and its timed to exercise our right to an armed revolution, but I haven't met many if any libertarians that advocate that plan of attack.
    Armed resistance may be justified, but it is clearly ineffective. We just don't have as many nukes and aircraft carriers as the government does. At least not yet.


    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    If you're not willing to rise up and overthrow the system (I'm not anywhere close to that) then you should be prepared to work within it.
    Civil disobedience works to a degree. Running away / gulching works better. Playing governments against each-other for our benefit (ex. tax competition) works best. Check out this blog: Let A Thousand Nations Bloom.

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Registered as a republican at age 18 and continue strong these long 6 years later (joke). Yes, I am a young Republican. I must say though that I am the most frustrated at libertarians and other conservatives that don't vote republican. The two party system is amazingly awesome and will continue to be such for years on end. I am grateful to the democrats for keeping us Republicans in line, but disagree with you on almost everything.

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    Re: What Political Party Would You Consider Yourself Now A Member Of?

    Quote Originally Posted by SicSemperTyrannis View Post
    I'm a member of the Libertarian Party, however I do disagree with the party platform on one key issue: abortion. I'm a staunch believer in the Lockean principle that the number one job of government is to protect life. A government that cannot protect life is inefficient and is not fulfilling it's contract with the people. I am aware however, that the abortion debate centers around when a life is actually created, but I digress. I feel the most sensible position to take is to ban abortion as part of birth control, but allow rape victims and mother's in danger of dying to have that option.

    Anyhow, I agree wholeheartedly with the libertarian notions of personal liberty, freedom, sound economic policy, dramatic shift in foreign policy, gun rights, opposition to the death penalty, etc.

    I stopped reading after page 6, but I find it odd that the majority of people who consider themselves to be "conservative" identify more with libertarian principles right now than those espoused by the GOP. Maybe the Libertarian Party will get a little more notice in 2012 and won't be dismissed by Beck and Olbermann as "radical crazies".
    I agree with every single one of your positions except for the prediction of the Libertarian Party getting more notice.... well, they might get more notice, but if anything, they will be a detriment to conservative principles if they divide us enough to give democrats a chance. I invite you to vote republican along with me. Conservatives with tough conservative values and moderate tones (staying away from Obama is Hitler and trying to kill my grandma) are what win elections, since losing won't do either of us a lot of good.

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