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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Freud's theories took the understanding of human behavior out if the simplistic reinforcement/punishment model and expanded it, showing connections between seemingly unrelated things.
    I agree with you very much on this. Whatever its internal merits at least Freudianism provides some sort of counterbalance in academic circles to Behaviourism, as do several other ways of looking at human nature and behaviour. I don't write off Behaviourism completely just emphasise its incompleteness and the necessity to make sure the complexities of human nature are kept in mind.
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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by swdowning View Post
    Freud opened the floodgates to the human potential movement. Psychoanalysis, however, could only have been developed by a Jewish male. Predictably, it has the greatest success rate among Jewish men. A lot of this probably has to do with the Jewish familial structure, in which the man is only the titular head of the family, but the woman runs the show. How many families of the Jewish faith are noted for the strong, guiding hand of the father, and the submissive acquiescence of the mother?
    There is so much stereotyping and inaccurate about the above, it doesn't even deserve a response. In brief...it is has no base in reality.

    But back to the question of psychoanalysis, I think Jung's work was an improvement, Fritz Perls was a distraction, Carl Rogers is the epitome of many therapists - given that if you select a Rogerian, you will never get out of therapy.
    Hmmm...you would not do well as a practicing therapist. Jung was definitely an improvement over Freud; he lost Freud's rigidity and considered other motivations rather than just primal instincts. Perls was a genius who died to early to see his theories mature. He was the first to look at how social relationships and interactions affect us and motivate us. Your perception of Rogers in totally wrong...and classically naive. I thought the same way in school. The premise behind Rogers' work is the formation of the therapeutic relationship to elicity change. Research shows that this is the most important component that helps someone in therapy. And no, it doesn't mean someone will be in therapy for ever.

    If you want real change, and want it quickly, find a competent practitioner of Neuro Linguistic Programming.
    And Neuro Linguistic Programing? I'm trained in NLP...by one of the formost proponents of the theory. NLP is nothing more than a few ancillary tricks and techniques. It's good to have in your repetroire, but as the prime approach, it is very weak.
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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Hmmm...you would not do well as a practicing therapist. Jung was definitely an improvement over Freud; he lost Freud's rigidity and considered other motivations rather than just primal instincts.
    More than Jung, I'm interested in the psychosocial theories of Erik Erikson.

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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    More than Jung, I'm interested in the psychosocial theories of Erik Erikson.
    I use Eriksonian theories a lot. Had a course that focused solely on him and what he believed. The whole "independence vs. dependence" stage is what a lot of my clients struggle with.
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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your perception of Rogers in totally wrong...and classically naive. I thought the same way in school. The premise behind Rogers' work is the formation of the therapeutic relationship to elicity change. Research shows that this is the most important component that helps someone in therapy. And no, it doesn't mean someone will be in therapy for ever.
    Uh-huh, uh-huh. I hear you saying that "elicity change" in a therapeutic relationship is a relevant premise behind Rogers' work. Tell me more about that... Uh-huh, uh-huh. Mm-hmm. What is "elicity change"? How would it be different from change that is not "elicity"? Mm-hmm.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And Neuro Linguistic Programing? I'm trained in NLP...by one of the formost proponents of the theory. NLP is nothing more than a few ancillary tricks and techniques. It's good to have in your repetroire, but as the prime approach, it is very weak.
    Well, if an ancillary trick can help you beat a murder rap, it might be worth exploring with a tad less prejudice.

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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    More than Jung, I'm interested in the psychosocial theories of Erik Erikson.
    I'm more interested in the theories of Milton Erickson.

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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by swdowning View Post
    Uh-huh, uh-huh. I hear you saying that "elicity change" in a therapeutic relationship is a relevant premise behind Rogers' work. Tell me more about that... Uh-huh, uh-huh. Mm-hmm. What is "elicity change"? How would it be different from change that is not "elicity"? Mm-hmm.
    Thank you for demonstrating that you have zero understanding of Rogerian therapy. Do some reading before you speak of what you know little about.



    Well, if an ancillary trick can help you beat a murder rap, it might be worth exploring with a tad less prejudice.
    I've explored it pretty thoroughly. Ancillary techniques to augment other approaches. Doesn't mean the techniques can't be effective. But more than using it to assist with other modalities? Not unless you want to get nowhere, or whoever you are treating has minimal issues to address.
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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by swdowning View Post
    I'm more interested in the theories of Milton Erickson.
    Both Erikson and Erickson are interesting in their contributions to psychotherapy. Erickson goes beyond simple hypnosis and was well rounded in using creative approaches to psychotherapy, and he influenced many well-known theorists. His influence on Jay Haley, for example, is quite significant.
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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Thank you for demonstrating that you have zero understanding of Rogerian therapy. Do some reading before you speak of what you know little about.

    I've explored it pretty thoroughly. Ancillary techniques to augment other approaches. Doesn't mean the techniques can't be effective. But more than using it to assist with other modalities? Not unless you want to get nowhere, or whoever you are treating has minimal issues to address.
    Thank you for the arrogant insults that in no way address my argument. Gosh! I'll wager that if you were my therapist, we could go around and around like this, week after week after week.

    Wouldn't that just be yachtilicious?

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