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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Wow, so many dismissive of psychoanalysis when it does serve a purpose not exactly like Freud used it but it does have a strong purpose.

    Lets review so we are toss away the craziness of "it's worthless."

    "Psychoanalysis is a body of ideas developed by Austrian Physician Sigmund Freud and continued by others. It is primarily devoted to the study of human psychological functioning and behavior, although it also can be applied to societies.

    Psychoanalysis has three applications:

    1. a method of investigation of the mind;
    2. a systematized set of theories about human behaviour;
    3. a method of treatment of psychological or emotional illness.

    Under the broad umbrella of psychoanalysis there are at least twenty-two different theoretical orientations regarding the underlying theory of understanding of human mentation and human development. The various approaches in treatment called "psychoanalytic" vary as much as the different theories do. In addition, the term refers to a method of studying child development."

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoanalysis]Psychoanalysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    I think a lot of it is narcissistic and useless.

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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Wow, so many dismissive of psychoanalysis when it does serve a purpose not exactly like Freud used it but it does have a strong purpose.

    Lets review so we are toss away the craziness of "it's worthless."

    "Psychoanalysis is a body of ideas developed by Austrian Physician Sigmund Freud and continued by others. It is primarily devoted to the study of human psychological functioning and behavior, although it also can be applied to societies.

    Psychoanalysis has three applications:

    1. a method of investigation of the mind;
    2. a systematized set of theories about human behaviour;
    3. a method of treatment of psychological or emotional illness.

    Under the broad umbrella of psychoanalysis there are at least twenty-two different theoretical orientations regarding the underlying theory of understanding of human mentation and human development. The various approaches in treatment called "psychoanalytic" vary as much as the different theories do. In addition, the term refers to a method of studying child development."

    Psychoanalysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    It's so crazy!
    Psychoanalysis makes no testable predictions (at least none that stand up to scientific scrutiny). That makes it a pseudoscience, no different than homeopathy or voodoo.
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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Psychoanalysis makes no testable predictions (at least none that stand up to scientific scrutiny). That makes it a pseudoscience, no different than homeopathy or voodoo.
    If your using its infancy as a basis for criticism then you'd be somewhat correct but now it has developed into an investigation therapy using methods which have been shown to work.

    It is not the same as when Freud was developing the practice.
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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    What I found amazing is the lack of understanding of what psychoanalysis is, what it represented, and what it reproduced. Those of you who think it was about wanting to **** your mother have little understnding of the theory and practice.

    Psychoanalysis in it's purest form is not widely practiced and us far too passive, in my view, to be very effective. However, the exploration of of human behaviors based on motivations, sometimes unconscious, often based on past situations, clearly can explain one's current behaviors at times and the understanding of these motivations can help to create change. We all react to current situations based on the past, sometimes without knowing so. Freud's theories took the understanding of human behavior out if the simplistic reinforcement/punishment model and expanded it, showing connections between seemingly unrelated things.

    Where Freud missed the boat was both in his ignoring of the importance of the therapuetuc relationship, wheras the therapist is seen as actual person, and not just as a representation, and in his rigidity around his theories.

    His concept of transference and countertransference was brilliant, and I, myself have expanded on this concept and use my expansion widely with a good amount of sucess.

    There are certainly pros and cons to psychoanalysis, but dismissing it as inconsequential is foolish and shows a lack of understanding of it's theories and how those theories have evolved.
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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    What I found amazing is the lack of understanding of what psychoanalysis is, what it represented, and what it reproduced. Those of you who think it was about wanting to **** your mother have little understnding of the theory and practice.

    Psychoanalysis in it's purest form is not widely practiced and us far too passive, in my view, to be very effective. However, the exploration of of human behaviors based on motivations, sometimes unconscious, often based on past situations, clearly can explain one's current behaviors at times and the understanding of these motivations can help to create change. We all react to current situations based on the past, sometimes without knowing so. Freud's theories took the understanding of human behavior out if the simplistic reinforcement/punishment model and expanded it, showing connections between seemingly unrelated things.

    Where Freud missed the boat was both in his ignoring of the importance of the therapuetuc relationship, wheras the therapist is seen as actual person, and not just as a representation, and in his rigidity around his theories.

    His concept of transference and countertransference was brilliant, and I, myself have expanded on this concept and use my expansion widely with a good amount of sucess.

    There are certainly pros and cons to psychoanalysis, but dismissing it as inconsequential is foolish and shows a lack of understanding of it's theories and how those theories have evolved.
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    I think combining the investigative theories of psychoanalysis with cognitive-behaviorist theories would yield great results, although I only have an moderate understanding of psychology, so I could be wrong.
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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Its hooey.

    Unless you have taken the time and have had the opportunity to really and truely know someone, there's little if any way you can make any legitimate determination of what makes them what who are and do what they do.

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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its hooey.

    Unless you have taken the time and have had the opportunity to really and truely know someone, there's little if any way you can make any legitimate determination of what makes them what who are and do what they do.
    To some extent, this is precisely what psychoanalysis does, though in a far too lengthy process in my view.
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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    Pardon my shrinking that poll to only three options. If your take is not shown up there, please take the time to post a comment explaining it
    Freud opened the floodgates to the human potential movement. Psychoanalysis, however, could only have been developed by a Jewish male. Predictably, it has the greatest success rate among Jewish men. A lot of this probably has to do with the Jewish familial structure, in which the man is only the titular head of the family, but the woman runs the show. How many families of the Jewish faith are noted for the strong, guiding hand of the father, and the submissive acquiescence of the mother?

    But back to the question of psychoanalysis, I think Jung's work was an improvement, Fritz Perls was a distraction, Carl Rogers is the epitome of many therapists - given that if you select a Rogerian, you will never get out of therapy.

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    Re: What's your take on psychoanalysis?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    What I found amazing is the lack of understanding of what psychoanalysis is, what it represented, and what it reproduced. Those of you who think it was about wanting to **** your mother have little understnding of the theory and practice.

    Psychoanalysis in it's purest form is not widely practiced and us far too passive, in my view, to be very effective. However, the exploration of of human behaviors based on motivations, sometimes unconscious, often based on past situations, clearly can explain one's current behaviors at times and the understanding of these motivations can help to create change. We all react to current situations based on the past, sometimes without knowing so. Freud's theories took the understanding of human behavior out if the simplistic reinforcement/punishment model and expanded it, showing connections between seemingly unrelated things.

    Where Freud missed the boat was both in his ignoring of the importance of the therapuetuc relationship, wheras the therapist is seen as actual person, and not just as a representation, and in his rigidity around his theories.

    His concept of transference and countertransference was brilliant, and I, myself have expanded on this concept and use my expansion widely with a good amount of sucess.

    There are certainly pros and cons to psychoanalysis, but dismissing it as inconsequential is foolish and shows a lack of understanding of it's theories and how those theories have evolved.

    I've had 2 psychology courses

    The first year was with a guy who was a classical-freudian. I've not be convinced at all by things like the oedipian complex or the theory about the "anal stage" or "genital stage", but the "freudian slip" or the defense mechanisms (rationalisation, repression...) are interesting

    The second year I had a famous teacher, who was a "scientifical psychologist", a behaviorist who hates Freud and Lacan, who wrote a book criticizing psychoanalysis (he says that it is dogmatic and that it doesn't evolve: Freud called his students who disagreed "sick" or "repressed")
    He says that psychoanalysis can be efficient for small problems, but not for serious behavior troubles, and that Freud has systematically lied about most of the patients he has "healed".

    I loved this teacher, his books are extremely interesting and have helped me.

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