View Poll Results: Which health care reforms would you like to see before end of 2010?

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  • Deregulate the insurance industry, let pure capitalism work

    13 43.33%
  • Tort Reform

    23 76.67%
  • Allow selling of insurance across state lines

    20 66.67%
  • Insurance regulations and enforcement to protect the insured

    13 43.33%
  • Financial aid to poor people/families to afford insurance

    12 40.00%
  • Creating a "public option"

    10 33.33%
  • Convert our health care to a socialized system ala Canada or UK

    3 10.00%
  • No reform

    1 3.33%
  • Other

    6 20.00%
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    Re: Which Health Insurance Reforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Who says its the most important? Tort Reform may not save a huge amount of money, but it is still a good idea. Cutting down on absurd lawsuits is something that everyone except personal injuries lawyers can get behind, and helps boost peoples faith in the system.
    THe people who voted it as a priority above all the others said it was the most important by way of their vote. It is to this, which I was responding.

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    Re: Which Health Insurance Reforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Grey View Post
    Unbelievable.

    Do any of you voting for Tort reform understand what a tiny piece of the pie it makes up?

    Texas demolished malpractice lawsuits, decreasing the time people have to sue, eliminating punitive damages, and stiffly capping the amount people are allowed to get for injuries sustained due to medical negligance.

    Did it bring their costs down? Not a jot. Whatever benefits tort reform might have brought to the system, those were swallowed by the astronomical rise in cost due to issues other than tort reform.

    Knowing this do you still think tort reform is the most important issue facing medicine today? If so, why?
    Uhh how does voting "Yes, I would support this" equate to it being the most important issue facing medicine today?

    Whether it brings costs down or not, it would discourage needless medical tests and would mean doctors weren't afraid of their patients.
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    Re: Which Health Insurance Reforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I wouldn't be too adverse to allowing it to adjust to COL for specific places.

    That said...

    I live in one a portion of the country with some of the highest costs of living. I've been living here starting at 28k a year and now currently hovering around the 40k range. While I would not call myself solidly middle class up here I would hardly say I'm scrapping by and "dirt poor" either, and that's with close to 50k in college loans I'm still paying off and not exactly living very frugally. I find it hard pressed to think of any place in this country where 40k is "Dirt Poor".
    28k for just you, or for you and a family? I live in rural Michigan, and cost of living here is fairly low, but I would draw the line between poor and middle class at about 30k for a single person.

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    Re: Which Health Insurance Reforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Uhh how does voting "Yes, I would support this" equate to it being the most important issue facing medicine today?

    Whether it brings costs down or not, it would discourage needless medical tests and would mean doctors weren't afraid of their patients.
    I am missing something here. How would tort reform reduce the use of needless tests?

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    Re: Which Health Insurance Reforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    28k for just you, or for you and a family? I live in rural Michigan, and cost of living here is fairly low, but I would draw the line between poor and middle class at about 30k for a single person.
    28k was for me. 34k when it was me and my girlfriend.

    And sorry, I don't believe its the government...and thus the tax payers...job to subsidize you if you decide you want a family of 4. That's your choice.

    There's a difference between lower middle class and even lower class and "Dirt Poor".

    If you have Cable TV, broadband internet, home and cell phone, go out to eat once or twice a week, purchase good cuts of meat, go out drinking often, etc etc etc I'm not going to be crying a river when you tell me you're "poor as dirt".

    There's no way I can fathom someone in say, the DC Metro area, making 40k a year and trying to claim they're "Poor as dirt" unless perhaps they're a single parent with 4 kids. In which case you've got to deal with the choices you've made. Call my cynical, but I'm tired of saying "These are bad choices, people need to stop making bad choices" while continually and repeatedly subsidizing those bad choices making any admonishments of it rather hollow and pointless. And maybe we'll have to have a few unfortunante tear jerking situations to occur so that in the long run we have significantly less situations where the possibility for such unfortunante circumstances is present.

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    Re: Which Health Insurance Reforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am missing something here. How would tort reform reduce the use of needless tests?
    I'm going to guess but, right now Doctors need to do just about any test they can to cover their ass, even if its exceedingly expensive and the benefit of it compared to the cost isn't really realistic, because if something should go wrong in the procedure they end up recommending they need to be able to say "see, we did everything we could to check". If they're not worried non-stop about covering their ass they may pass on a multi-thousand dollar test that is just going to verify what 2 other tests they already did says.

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    Re: Which Health Insurance Reforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm going to guess but, right now Doctors need to do just about any test they can to cover their ass, even if its exceedingly expensive and the benefit of it compared to the cost isn't really realistic, because if something should go wrong in the procedure they end up recommending they need to be able to say "see, we did everything we could to check". If they're not worried non-stop about covering their ass they may pass on a multi-thousand dollar test that is just going to verify what 2 other tests they already did says.
    Thanks, I figured I was missing something.

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    Re: Which Health Insurance Reforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am missing something here. How would tort reform reduce the use of needless tests?
    Many doctors order needless tests for their patients so that they can prove they did everything they possibly could if the patient comes back and sues the doctor for malpractice for not detecting something.

    Tort reform would mitigate that problem by alleviating doctors' fears of malpractice lawsuits. I think it's very rare that pain and suffering should be worth more than $500K (unless it's chronic, incurable, and severe). And a wrongful death should usually not be worth more than 2 or 3 million.
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    Re: Which Health Insurance Reforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    28k was for me. 34k when it was me and my girlfriend.

    And sorry, I don't believe its the government...and thus the tax payers...job to subsidize you if you decide you want a family of 4. That's your choice.
    I am not going to argue this point, it's not really the point I was going for.

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    Re: Which Health Insurance Reforms?

    The only way to reduce health care costs is to expose the health care industry - those that provide the goods and services to the patients - to competition and free market forces.

    To do this, we must eliminate the third-party payer system that insulates the consumer from the actual cost of the health care he receives.

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