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Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

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  • Yes, these type attacks in this number is harmfull to republicans

    Votes: 18 39.1%

  • no, hitting the guy with everything they have is the way to go for republicans

    Votes: 13 28.3%

  • It won't have much effect

    Votes: 9 19.6%

  • Other/I don't know

    Votes: 6 13.0%
  • Total voters
    46
nerv14 said:
That is very true, I was not comparing the government today with what could have been, I was comparing it to what it was.

If you have any information of a place like Hong Kong or Singapore having an effective free market solution to food regulations, then that would be some "what is" evidence for you.
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Hong Kong and Singapore have slightly more economic freedom, but they are not Anarcho-Capitalist societies, nowhere close. Sometimes good ideas just haven't been implemented anywhere in the world - yet.

You cannot blame freedom-loving individuals for being less willing to lie, cheat, steal, torture, and kill than government-loving individuals have been throughout history, now can you?
 
Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama
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I voted "I don't know", but I'm starting to lean toward "yes".
I think the Right is beginning to alienate all reasonable people.
They've simply gone way too far. I'm not sure how the Republicans can ever return to power at this point, unless obama screws up spectacularly.
And even then, it won't be easy.
 
jackalope said:
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:rofl wingers are so forgetful about their "team's" past actions and words ... they went full on crazy in the Clinton years, then upped it when Obama won the primaries .
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Care to give us some examples, or are we supposed to just take your word for it?
 
Another recommendation I would make to the GOP would be to keep the anti-Obama rhetoric consistent & at least semi-believable.
On the one hand the GOP tries to paint Obama as being weak an not tough enough to be an effective international leader &, an hour later..he is Adolf Hitler!?!?
After all the debates & being President for almost a year, most Americans can SEE that Obama is a personable, likable family man ......so the Nazi BS is just a silly & even an insulting message that is not salable.

We also know that Obama:
1. Is an American
2. Is not pals with terrorists
3. Doesn't really want to kill old people
4. Is not Joseph Stalin
5. Will not be going door to door collecting our guns to hand to illegal aliens.
6. Isn't trying to poison our children's minds with Commie/Pinko ideology

& so on.

Nobody REALLY buys those insulting pieces of garbage so why keep peddling them??? (they hurt the GOP's credibility allot more than they will ever hurt Obama....)
 
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Devil505 said:
3. Doesn't really want to kill old people
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Anything that decelerates economic growth also adversely affects life expectancy.

And socialist medicine simply cannot exist in conjunction with ever-evolving high-tech medicine, where life-extending procedures could eventually cost millions of dollars. By redistributing wealth (and destroying much of it in the process), the state does get to decide who lives and who dies.


Devil505 said:
4. Is not Joseph Stalin
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No, just his 2008 American equivalent.


Devil505 said:
5. Will not be going door to door collecting our guns [...]
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He is in favor of forced helplessness (aka "gun control").


Devil505 said:
6. Isn't trying to poison our children's minds with Commie/Pinko ideology
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Yes he is. It's called public school.
 
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Alex Libman said:
No, just his 2008 American equivalent.




He is in favor of forced helplessness (aka "gun control").




Yes he is. It's called public school.
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2 possibilities that I see:

1. You actually believe those things....which would put you in a very small group on the far right "Fringe" of our society, imo

Or:

2. You don't really believe them but just repeat those things in the hopes of convincing others that they are true, which will just never happen.

If you really dislike Obama, for whatever the reason, wouldn't it make more sense to attack him with at least plausible charges that we can't immediately see through as silly partisan attacks?
 
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Devil505 thinks I'm "far-right", a member of his "society", and that I have a "party". Wow.
 
Alex Libman said:
Devil505 thinks I'm "far-right", a member of his "society", and that I have a "party". Wow.
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I'm actually trying to engage you in something beyond silly slogans & meaningless one liners. Are you up to discussing the GOP attack on Obama on a higher level or are we stuck in an elementary school recess debate?
 
I have made my points, and I am willing to defend them rationally.

You have ignored the substance of my arguments, made laughably incorrect assumptions about my political philosophy, and resorted to name-calling.
 
Well, you might have learned something. Then again...
 
Alex Libman said:
Well, you might have learned something. Then again...
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Yes....I did indeed learn something.



Alex Libman said:
Anything that decelerates economic growth also adversely affects life expectancy.

And socialist medicine simply cannot exist in conjunction with ever-evolving high-tech medicine, where life-extending procedures could eventually cost millions of dollars. By redistributing wealth (and destroying much of it in the process), the state does get to decide who lives and who dies.
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The "gobbledygook" you posted (above) tells me all I need to know. Thanks anyway.;)
 
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Alrighty then...

Enjoy your ignorance.
 
Devil, meet Alex. Alex, meet Devil.

I wish you joy of each other. This was meant to be.


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I don't think it'll have a huge effect.

I think it'll piss off liberals greatly. I think some left leaning moderates will be turned off as well.

For the most part, I think it'll have little effect. The most extremely idiotic, conspiritorial things will be ignored. Some of the more plausable ones rooted in partial truth depending on what perspective you view it at will stick a bit. The general negative attitude will propel some in disliking him and encourage others to defend him.

Yes, we're talking about "current" events, but one need only look at the past 8 years to easily see the general effects these kind of things are. They are no larger or worse with Obama honestly than with Bush, but after 8 years of their side doing it Liberals are finally having it happen to them and are "shocked" by how huge it seems.

Its not, its just that the shoe is on the other foot now and suddenly it seems so much tighter.

I don't think it'll be much of an issue all things considered.
 
Zyphlin said:
Yes, we're talking about "current" events, but one need only look at the past 8 years to easily see the general effects these kind of things are. They are no larger or worse with Obama honestly than with Bush, but after 8 years of their side doing it Liberals are finally having it happen to them and are "shocked" by how huge it seems.

Its not, its just that the shoe is on the other foot now and suddenly it seems so much tighter.
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This is correct.
 
Zyphlin said:
They are no larger or worse with Obama honestly than with Bush, but after 8 years of their side doing it Liberals are finally having it happen to them and are "shocked" by how huge it seems.

Its not, its just that the shoe is on the other foot now and suddenly it seems so much tighter.

I don't think it'll be much of an issue all things considered.
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I think the absurdity of many of the charges against Obama is the major difference that will/has degraded the credibility of the GOP to a point that most (even semi open-minded) voters discount any GOP ideas as just more absurdity. As the old childrens' fable points out, you can't yell "Wolf" all the time & expect attention when the real wolf shows up.
The anti-Bush attacks were many, pointed & some may not have been true, but they weren't so absurd as to insult the intelligence of the average voter.


The GOP really wants us to believe that Obama is:
An iIllegal alien who should be deported, is close buddies with murdering terrorists, has a strong desire to kill our grandparents, wants to turn our country into a communists state, has plans to take our guns away (I guess & give them to his terrorist pals??) , is (at the same time) both Casper Milquetoast & Adolf Hitler.....& so on....ad infunitum.
They (GOP) don't just use these ridiculous stories to make a point.....They really want us to believe them?!:rolleyes:
 
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Devil505 said:
I think the absurdity of many of the charges against Obama is a major difference & will/'has degraded the credibility of the GOP to a point that most (even semi open-minded) voters discount any GOP ideas as just more absurdity. As the old childrens' fable points out, you can't yell "Wolf" all the time & expect attention when the real wolf shows up.
The anti-Bush attacks were many, pointed & some may not have been true, but they weren't so absurd as to insult the intelligence of the average voter.


The GOP really wants us to believe that Obama is:
An iIllegal alien who should be deported, is close buddies with murdering terrorists, has a strong desire to kill our grandparents, wants to turn our country into a communists state, has plans to take our guns away (I guess & give them to his terrorist pals??) , is (at the same time) both Casper Milquetoast & Adolf Hitler.....& so on....ad infunitum.
They (GOP) don't just use these ridiculous stories to make a point.....They really want us to believe them!:rolleyes:
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Oh, of course . . . about Bush, it was simply true; about Obama, it's all BS.

And people wonder why the country seems so hopelessly divided. Here's a sterling example.
 
Harshaw said:
Oh, of course . . . about Bush, it was simply true; about Obama, it's all BS.

And people wonder why the country seems so hopelessly divided. Here's a sterling example.
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Point out some (Democratic Party sponsored) absurd anti-Bush attacks that were as insulting to the average voter as ones like Obama wants to kill your grandparents?

Serious question: Are you satisfied with the effectiveness/credibility of the GOP anti-Obama statements?
 
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Devil505 said:
Point out some (Democratic Party sponsored) absurd anti-Bush attacks that were as insulting to the average voter as ones like Obama wants to kill your grandparents?
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Redress said:
The idea is this: Any party out of power is going to be critical of those in power. This is the natural order, and simply put, it's easier to get a negative message out, and often more effective. What I wonder these days is if the natural tendency to do this has not escalated to the point where it will end up hurting the republicans. For some examples:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-political-scandal-du-jour/47470-first-lady-michelle-obama-steps-out-lanvin-sneakers-theyre-only-540-a.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/49268-obamas-date-night-new-york-city-draws-criticism-edited.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-political-scandal-du-jour/46201-obama-disgrace-bows-another-leader-wtf.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/55529-president-obama-s-address-students-across-america-september-8-2009-a.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/38541-53-reasons-obama-ineligable-election-fraud-mccain-too-old.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/51755-so-where-obama-born-again-hosp.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-partisan-politics-political-platforms/49510-emergence-president-obamas-muslim-roots.html

Stepping away from our liberal or conservatives ideologies, how do you think the independents and middle of the road types view these types of attacks? Is making attacks on these type of issues the right thing to do for republicans, is it going too far and going to hurt republicans, or won't it have any effect?

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I think both sides go well off topic in their attacks on each other. The left did it to Bush, the right is doing it to Obama. The whole lot of it is nothing more than childish school yard antics but it seems that America has the attention span of a goldfish (which would explain things like Daisey of Love) and we can't keep anything of it straight or demand proper critique and political exercise. I think some of the attacks on Obama are pointless partisan drivel, but the same was true for Bush. If people want to fix the problem, they have to go after both sides and they have to stop themselves.
 
Devil505 said:
I think the absurdity of many of the charges against Obama is the major difference that will/has degraded the credibility of the GOP to a point that most (even semi open-minded) voters discount any GOP ideas as just more absurdity. As the old childrens' fable points out, you can't yell "Wolf" all the time & expect attention when the real wolf shows up.
The anti-Bush attacks were many, pointed & some may not have been true, but they weren't so absurd as to insult the intelligence of the average voter.


The GOP really wants us to believe that Obama is:
An iIllegal alien who should be deported, is close buddies with murdering terrorists, has a strong desire to kill our grandparents, wants to turn our country into a communists state, has plans to take our guns away (I guess & give them to his terrorist pals??) , is (at the same time) both Casper Milquetoast & Adolf Hitler.....& so on....ad infunitum.
They (GOP) don't just use these ridiculous stories to make a point.....They really want us to believe them?!:rolleyes:
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Ahh, so we're going with hyperbole and the extreme. Great.

And this is difference then "The Democrats" (since you want to say its the GOP) wanted us to believe:

Bush was an illiterate retard, Bush started the wars specifically to give money to halliburton, that Bush and Co wanted 9/11 to happen and knowingly let it, that Bush and Co helped plan 9/11, that Bush was setting up internment camps, that Bush was going to declare martial law, that Bush had every American being spied upon, that Bush thought god literally "speaks" to him.

I can go on.

Sorry, no, "The Democrats" as you would seem to term it....or the most inflamed extreme ones....made up some pretty ludicrous **** about Bush and Co as well. Just like now, the most extreme are the ones that come up with the most ridiculous and proclaim it the loudest, with some of the more staunchly in step with the party but not in step are mildly affected by it enough to be leery or thing "it may be true" or "its not exactly like that, but its not too far off", that Bush was Hitler and Stalin all in one, etc.

You're just blinded by the ever present hyper partisan shades you wear everywhere you go.
 
Zyphlin said:
And this is difference then "The Democrats" (since you want to say its the GOP) wanted us to believe:

Bush was an illiterate retard, Bush started the wars specifically to give money to halliburton, that Bush and Co wanted 9/11 to happen and knowingly let it, that Bush and Co helped plan 9/11, that Bush was setting up internment camps, that Bush was going to declare martial law, that Bush had every American being spied upon, that Bush thought god literally "speaks" to him.
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Difference is how many of those were official Democratic Party or Democratic Leader's attacks against Bush?
 
Devil505 said:
I never saw the movie, can't enlarge your upload to read it well & don't see the insult to the average voter??
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The whole movie was an insult, scurrilous attack, endorsed by many mainstream Democrats and one former Democrat President, and that you haven't seen it doesn't mean it wasn't.
 
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