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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The idea is this: Any party out of power is going to be critical of those in power. This is the natural order, and simply put, it's easier to get a negative message out, and often more effective. What I wonder these days is if the natural tendency to do this has not escalated to the point where it will end up hurting the republicans. For some examples:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pol...nly-540-a.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...sm-edited.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pol...eader-wtf.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...-8-2009-a.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...n-too-old.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...gain-hosp.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...lim-roots.html

    Stepping away from our liberal or conservatives ideologies, how do you think the independents and middle of the road types view these types of attacks? Is making attacks on these type of issues the right thing to do for republicans, is it going too far and going to hurt republicans, or won't it have any effect?

    Edit: poll added.
    it shores up their base, and seems to be scoring with independents, who might not be as smart as i thought they were.....;-)
    Last edited by liblady; 09-08-09 at 12:46 PM.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    An iIllegal alien who should be deported
    What GOP official suggested he IS an illegal alien and should be deported?

    is close buddies with murdering terrorists
    ,

    What GOP official suggested he's "Close buddies" with "murdering terrorists".

    has a strong desire to kill our grandparents
    Again. Quote me teh GOP official that stated "he has a strong desire to kill our grandparents"

    wants to turn our country into a communists state
    Quote me please. Also, note, you said turning it into a communist state, not attempting to emulate or enact some communist laws

    has plans to take our guns away
    Quote again.

    both Casper Milquetoast & Adolf Hitler
    Quote again.

    & so on....ad infunitum.

    You're the first one that make the accusation that these statements were somehow made by "officials". Please, lets see them.

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I could agree with your above opinion except in degree. I agree that both sides of the aisle engage in silly partisan BS.....to a degree....but the GOP leadership has raised this absurdity to an "Art Form" .
    This spirals out of control only because we've let it spiral out of control. We've rewarded this type of behavior on both sides, and now that's what they engage in. Ultimately any problem we have with government, with the press, with our Republic is our fault. It's our responsibility to keep the Republic and we're turning it into nothing more than a high drama show. The Republocrats are a problem, true. The Republocrats are out of control, they act improperly, they increase government and increase government while not thinking of our own rights and liberties. The Republocrats need to be punished, true. The only ones who can punish them are us.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, I am not right now talking about what happened under Bush. I am talking about current events.
    Anyone that complains about the treatment The Obama is receiving that treated GWB in the same manner need not be taken seriously.

    As for "have they gone too far"?
    Free speech.
    So long as what they do falls under it, they have every right to do it.

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What GOP official suggested he IS an illegal alien and should be deported?
    Many GOP Leaders still will not admit that Obama is an American. They still have doubts. If Obama isn't a natural born citizen, then he is an illegal alien by definition..... & what does the GOP want done with illegal aliens?....Deport them.
    "Meanwhile, some Republican Congressmen are either skeptical about Obama's citizenship or unwilling to acknowledge it,"
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthers]Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
    There are tons of limnks on the net to prominent Repubs who still push this nonsense. I don't have time to dig deeper right now.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What GOP official suggested he's "Close buddies" with "murdering terrorists".
    Remember this? (Wasn;'t Palin the GOP's official VP candidate last year?)
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi3oP74kMjA"]YouTube - Palin Criticizes Obama's 'Terrorist' Connection[/ame]
    The whole GOP used that as a mantra last year.



    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Again. Quote me teh GOP official that stated "he has a strong desire to kill our grandparents"
    All the GOP leaders who claim that Obama's HC plan will create bureaucrat Death Squads. I'll look for links later.


    Given a few hours time, anyone could come up with You Tube links (alone, not to mention hundreds of other web sites) to back up every claim I made in my earlier post. I have neither the time nor inclination to do the research that anyone here can easily do.
    Are you seriously denying those attacks have been made against Obama from GOP leaders (elected & media) ?
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-08-09 at 02:43 PM.

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The idea is this: Any party out of power is going to be critical of those in power. This is the natural order, and simply put, it's easier to get a negative message out, and often more effective. What I wonder these days is if the natural tendency to do this has not escalated to the point where it will end up hurting the republicans. For some examples:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pol...nly-540-a.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...sm-edited.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pol...eader-wtf.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...-8-2009-a.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...n-too-old.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...gain-hosp.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...lim-roots.html

    Stepping away from our liberal or conservatives ideologies, how do you think the independents and middle of the road types view these types of attacks? Is making attacks on these type of issues the right thing to do for republicans, is it going too far and going to hurt republicans, or won't it have any effect?

    Edit: poll added.
    Yes, these types of attacks are absolutely ridiculous and I think absolutely the reputation of the Republican Party. However, I would expect nothing else from either the Republicans or Democrats. These types of issues about Palin's kids or Michelle Obama's shoes create a large smokescreen and distract people from having actual debates about public policy. That is why it is an absolute joke that partisan hacks like Glenn Beck, Keith Olbermann, Bill O'Reilly, and Ed Schultz (and their ilk) still are employed, and pose as "news sources" no less!! This is little to no actual news reported in this country, it is all show and for ratings. The American people have become politically uneducated, and it is because the partisan media refuses to actually do their job. We now allow moronic pundits and talking heads to formulate opinions for us, instead of debating the issues. It's much easier to listen to Beck and yell socialism, instead of debating why a particular policy might be socialist in nature and the ramifications for and against it. Just like last year it was easier to listen to Olbermann and yell facist without understanding what you're yelling or why you're yelling (other than the fact that Keith told you to, because he was told by MSNBC, who was told by GE, etc.). Yes, these types of attacks are stupid, and take away credence from actual policy disagreements people have with Obama. However, these types of attacks are not an aberration, rather they are systemic practices used by both parties. Until Americans can see past the right/left partisan paradigm, no real problems in America can be fixed. Instead, it will be a bunch of uneducated yelling because "Glenn Beck said Obama is a socialist" or "Keith Olbermann said a Republican is the Worst Person in the World for the 1,596 consecutive episode, so it must be true!!!". Just my two cents.

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Many GOP Leaders still will not admit that Obama is an American. They still have doubts. If Obama isn't a natural born citizen, then he is an illegal alien by definition..... & what does the GOP want done with illegal aliens?....Deport them.
    "Meanwhile, some Republican Congressmen are either skeptical about Obama's citizenship or unwilling to acknowledge it,"
    Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    There are tons of limnks on the net to prominent Repubs who still push this nonsense. I don't have time to dig deeper right now.
    I'm sorry, you stated GOP officials stated:

    "[He is]An iIllegal alien who should be deported'

    All that text and all I see is you dancing around saying "Well, no one said that, I just made it up"

    Remember this?
    The whole GOP used that as a mantra last year.
    Why yes, yes I do.

    I remember her saying he "pals around" with a terrorist.

    Was he friendly with and been around a number of times with Bill Ayers?

    Did Bill Ayers assist in attempted terrorist attacks?

    and how is that comment equivilent to:

    "is close buddies with murdering terrorists"

    I pal around with my cubicle mates at work. I don't consider any of them "Close buddies". I'd never call any of them over for a party or a drink after work, but we "pal around" often at work. Also, I don't see where she said "murdering" terrorist, but simply terrorists that targetted this country.

    I'm sorry that you couldn't find proof of what you claimed.

    All the GOP leaders who claim that Obama's HC plan will create bureaucrat Death Squads. I'll look for links later.
    Death Panels is the idiotic term they're using, and the belief that the health care plan creates them is different than stating he:

    "has a strong desire to kill our grandparents "

    Much like the health care debate, let me make something abudnantly clare to you.

    When you make idiotic, asinine, ridiculous, untrue bull**** hyberbolic comments don't be surprised when people call you out on that very bull****. When you demand other people try to hold up to a standard, in this case actual politicians and members of the party stating the things, you best be able to back it up yourself. Don't tap dance around it, don't try to play the duck and weave game, because its all too easy to expose your poor debate.

    YOU decided to be overly hyberbolic and exaggerate greatly and got called on it. Deal with it.

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Many GOP Leaders still will not admit that Obama is an American.
    Such as...?

    They still have doubts. If Obama isn't a natural born citizen, then he is an illegal alien by definition
    This is only true if the only other legal status other than 'natural born citizen' is 'illegal alien'.
    This is obviously not the case.

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm sorry, you stated GOP officials stated:

    "[He is]An iIllegal alien who should be deported'

    All that text and all I see is you dancing around saying "Well, no one said that, I just made it up"



    Why yes, yes I do.

    I remember her saying he "pals around" with a terrorist.

    Was he friendly with and been around a number of times with Bill Ayers?

    Did Bill Ayers assist in attempted terrorist attacks?

    and how is that comment equivilent to:

    "is close buddies with murdering terrorists"

    I pal around with my cubicle mates at work. I don't consider any of them "Close buddies". I'd never call any of them over for a party or a drink after work, but we "pal around" often at work. Also, I don't see where she said "murdering" terrorist, but simply terrorists that targetted this country.

    I'm sorry that you couldn't find proof of what you claimed.



    Death Panels is the idiotic term they're using, and the belief that the health care plan creates them is different than stating he:

    "has a strong desire to kill our grandparents "

    Much like the health care debate, let me make something abudnantly clare to you.

    When you make idiotic, asinine, ridiculous, untrue bull**** hyberbolic comments don't be surprised when people call you out on that very bull****. When you demand other people try to hold up to a standard, in this case actual politicians and members of the party stating the things, you best be able to back it up yourself. Don't tap dance around it, don't try to play the duck and weave game, because its all too easy to expose your poor debate.

    YOU decided to be overly hyberbolic and exaggerate greatly and got called on it. Deal with it.
    I like to use a bit of exaggeration to make my points, in the interest of keeping things a but lighter. Obviously, when I say the GOP claims Obama wants to kill your grandparents, that is what I'm doing & I think most forum readers get it.
    My point again is that while both sides will embellish & stretch the truth occasionally, it is by far....more the signature of the GOP & is hurting their credibility much more than the Dems, & I point to actual election results since 2006 as my proof..
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-08-09 at 03:40 PM.

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I like to use a bit of exaggeration to make my points, in the interest of keeping things a but lighter. Obviously, when I say the GOP claims Obama wants to kill your grandparents, that is what I'm doing & I think most forum readers get it.
    My point again is that while both sides will embellish & stretch the truth occasionally, it is by far....more the signature of the GOP & is hurting their credibility much more than the Dems, & I point to actual election results since 2006 as my proof..
    The problem is when you're trying to make the argument that "Republicans are worse because they're arguments are more ridiculous"....and then you trump up, exaggerate, and use hyperbole in showing those republican points, thus being the one that CREATES the ridiculous points. Its like saying "Yeah, Democrats made outrageous statements about Bush", thinking that some democrats went "no blood for oil", and then going "Like saying Bush is personally sending off our soldiers to die because he gets a check from Halliburton for each one".

    No, its not a "signature" of the GOP, no more than its of the left. Its a signature of politics sadly right now, left or right. Some on the left has been making asinine, over the top statements in regards to Bush and Co for the past 8 years. Pointing at a single election results is not "proving" anything, not to mention the fact that a plethora of variables go into said results, so much so that pointing at a single thing is ridiculous. You're just a blind hyper partisan so everything, EVERYTHING, must be worse on teh other side because by god their horrible and evil.

    Yes, republicans have said some RIDICULOUS and IDIOTIC things about Obama. Absolutely mindboggling at times. But so too have Democrats for years done it to Bush. Neither side owns the monopoly or even the controlling interest in this, its simply a nature of politics in this country in recent times.

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