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Thread: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I never saw the movie, can't enlarge your upload to read it well & don't see the insult to the average voter??

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The idea is this: Any party out of power is going to be critical of those in power. This is the natural order, and simply put, it's easier to get a negative message out, and often more effective. What I wonder these days is if the natural tendency to do this has not escalated to the point where it will end up hurting the republicans. For some examples:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pol...nly-540-a.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...sm-edited.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pol...eader-wtf.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...-8-2009-a.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...n-too-old.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...gain-hosp.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...lim-roots.html

    Stepping away from our liberal or conservatives ideologies, how do you think the independents and middle of the road types view these types of attacks? Is making attacks on these type of issues the right thing to do for republicans, is it going too far and going to hurt republicans, or won't it have any effect?

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    I think both sides go well off topic in their attacks on each other. The left did it to Bush, the right is doing it to Obama. The whole lot of it is nothing more than childish school yard antics but it seems that America has the attention span of a goldfish (which would explain things like Daisey of Love) and we can't keep anything of it straight or demand proper critique and political exercise. I think some of the attacks on Obama are pointless partisan drivel, but the same was true for Bush. If people want to fix the problem, they have to go after both sides and they have to stop themselves.
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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I think the absurdity of many of the charges against Obama is the major difference that will/has degraded the credibility of the GOP to a point that most (even semi open-minded) voters discount any GOP ideas as just more absurdity. As the old childrens' fable points out, you can't yell "Wolf" all the time & expect attention when the real wolf shows up.
    The anti-Bush attacks were many, pointed & some may not have been true, but they weren't so absurd as to insult the intelligence of the average voter.


    The GOP really wants us to believe that Obama is:
    An iIllegal alien who should be deported, is close buddies with murdering terrorists, has a strong desire to kill our grandparents, wants to turn our country into a communists state, has plans to take our guns away (I guess & give them to his terrorist pals??) , is (at the same time) both Casper Milquetoast & Adolf Hitler.....& so on....ad infunitum.
    They (GOP) don't just use these ridiculous stories to make a point.....They really want us to believe them?!
    Ahh, so we're going with hyperbole and the extreme. Great.

    And this is difference then "The Democrats" (since you want to say its the GOP) wanted us to believe:

    Bush was an illiterate retard, Bush started the wars specifically to give money to halliburton, that Bush and Co wanted 9/11 to happen and knowingly let it, that Bush and Co helped plan 9/11, that Bush was setting up internment camps, that Bush was going to declare martial law, that Bush had every American being spied upon, that Bush thought god literally "speaks" to him.

    I can go on.

    Sorry, no, "The Democrats" as you would seem to term it....or the most inflamed extreme ones....made up some pretty ludicrous **** about Bush and Co as well. Just like now, the most extreme are the ones that come up with the most ridiculous and proclaim it the loudest, with some of the more staunchly in step with the party but not in step are mildly affected by it enough to be leery or thing "it may be true" or "its not exactly like that, but its not too far off", that Bush was Hitler and Stalin all in one, etc.

    You're just blinded by the ever present hyper partisan shades you wear everywhere you go.

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    And this is difference then "The Democrats" (since you want to say its the GOP) wanted us to believe:

    Bush was an illiterate retard, Bush started the wars specifically to give money to halliburton, that Bush and Co wanted 9/11 to happen and knowingly let it, that Bush and Co helped plan 9/11, that Bush was setting up internment camps, that Bush was going to declare martial law, that Bush had every American being spied upon, that Bush thought god literally "speaks" to him.
    Difference is how many of those were official Democratic Party or Democratic Leader's attacks against Bush?

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I never saw the movie, can't enlarge your upload to read it well & don't see the insult to the average voter??
    The whole movie was an insult, scurrilous attack, endorsed by many mainstream Democrats and one former Democrat President, and that you haven't seen it doesn't mean it wasn't.
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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The whole movie was an insult, scurrilous attack, endorsed by many mainstream Democrats and one former Democrat President, and that you haven't seen it doesn't mean it wasn't.
    Have links proving your implication that the movie was created by the Dem Party itself?
    Any links connecting the official Dem party to that movie?

    Moore is a bit of a nut job & he doesn't speak for the Dem party the way........say a Senator DeMint (let;'s "Break" Obama over HC) or Senator Grassley does.

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think both sides go well off topic in their attacks on each other. The left did it to Bush, the right is doing it to Obama. The whole lot of it is nothing more than childish school yard antics but it seems that America has the attention span of a goldfish (which would explain things like Daisey of Love) and we can't keep anything of it straight or demand proper critique and political exercise. I think some of the attacks on Obama are pointless partisan drivel, but the same was true for Bush. If people want to fix the problem, they have to go after both sides and they have to stop themselves.
    I could agree with your above opinion except in degree. I agree that both sides of the aisle engage in silly partisan BS.....to a degree....but the GOP leadership has raised this absurdity to an "Art Form" .

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Have links proving your implication that the movie was created by the Dem Party itself?
    Any links connecting the official Dem party to that movie?

    Moore is a bit of a nut job & he doesn't speak for the Dem party the way........say a Senator DeMint (let;'s "Break" Obama over HC) or Senator Grassley does.
    I never said or implied that it was created by the Dem Party itself; that's a scandalous lie. But then, you do have exceptional difficulty comprehending what I read, even though it's always written in plain English.

    Crashing The Party | The New Republic

    In late June, Moore had a VIP screening of Fahrenheit 9/11 at Washington, D.C.'s Uptown Theater. In attendance were a host of prominent Democrats--including Iowa Senator Tom Harkin, Florida Senator Bob Graham, California Senator Barbara Boxer, and numerous members of the Congressional Black Caucus. Even some of Fahrenheit 9/11's favorite targets, such as Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle-- who Moore mercilessly lampoons in the movie for being insufficiently opposed to Bush and the war in Iraq--dutifully showed up. (After the screening, Moore told Time, Daschle "gave me a hug and said he felt bad and that we were all gonna fight from now on. I thanked him for being a good sport.")
    Carter invited Moore to sit in his box at the 2004 Democratic convention after seeing the film.



    Honestly, if you were at all informed about the Bush years, this is stuff you would already know. But extremely polarized ideological lenses prevent one from being informed, I guess. Only seeing what you want to see is no way to go through life.

    You'd hardly be alone, though.
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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Crashing The Party | The New Republic



    Carter invited Moore to sit in his box at the 2004 Democratic convention after seeing the film.



    Honestly, if you were at all informed about the Bush years, this is stuff you would already know. But extremely polarized ideological lenses prevent one from being informed, I guess. Only seeing what you want to see is no way to go through life.

    You'd hardly be alone, though.




    I'll reprint my above response here too:

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I could agree with your above opinion except in degree. I agree that both sides of the aisle engage in silly partisan BS.....to a degree....but the GOP leadership has raised this absurdity to an "Art Form" .

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I'll reprint my above response here too:
    So what? Doesn't make it true.

    Oh, BTW, film IS an "art form."
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